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As a compassionate gesture we accept I'll children from Gaza but will they return?

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mids2019 · 14/09/2025 06:55

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4qn6gxekxo
If course going and argue with treating injured and I'll children but I don't think Yvette Cooper has considered whether the children sending the children back to a a war zone after treatment would be rather cruel.

I personally think what is India's here is the young Gazans will be given asylum in the UK and possibly their families could join them. Given UK attitudes towards asylum seekers currently this is a bit of a political risk.

How do you balance compassion for injured children with setting precedent for mass asylum seeking from Gaza where there are sadly many injured childden? How do you choose which children to treat for instance and which UK patients to push down the waiting lists to accommodate them?

Is this feature politics to try and hold on to the Muslim vote!

Young Palestinian children hold metal pans at an aid distribution site in Gaza City.

First sick children have left Gaza for UK - Cooper

The Foreign Office says the group of children will arrive in the UK "in the coming days".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4qn6gxekxo

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Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 09:04

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:53

Israel has the capacity to help some of these children and there I not a huge outrage from Palestinian health professionals in Israel that this is not the case. You don't have mass strikes of Palestin Ian demanding access to Israeli hospitals for Gazan chikdren. It p%&es me off when comparisons are made of Israel and the third Reich when Israel is actively wanting to recruit more Palestinian health professionals...that is anti semtic.

sorry this is gesture politics that doesn't make any sense given health facilities in the region. Health inequality more generally would be a more interesting question.

Will their permits to work in Israel not be revoked if they protest?

They have seen what have happened to their counterparts within Gaza. How could they take the chance of a trip to Sde Teiman.

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:53

Israel has the capacity to help some of these children and there I not a huge outrage from Palestinian health professionals in Israel that this is not the case. You don't have mass strikes of Palestin Ian demanding access to Israeli hospitals for Gazan chikdren. It p%&es me off when comparisons are made of Israel and the third Reich when Israel is actively wanting to recruit more Palestinian health professionals...that is anti semtic.

sorry this is gesture politics that doesn't make any sense given health facilities in the region. Health inequality more generally would be a more interesting question.

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Marylou2 · 14/09/2025 08:53

The NHS is barely functioning. British children are waiting months if not years for treatment. Don't waste my time by denying this. We have a housing crisis and people are taking to the streets to protest against immigration. We are likely to end up with an unpleasant right wing government unless something is done immediately. Is this the right time to add fuel to the fire by bringing in children and their families from Gaza who will likely never return there? There are several wealthy Muslim countries with excellent medical facilities who could treat them in the vicinity rather than bringing them to Britain.

Indianajet · 14/09/2025 08:42

What a sad post. Whatever happened to save the children? Some people seem to have lost all compassion. The more children we can help, the better.

Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 08:38

Lifeinthepit · 14/09/2025 08:33

You know the point the OP is making. Why Gazan children only?

No I don't.

Because 21 seriously ill Ukrainian children were evacuated and transported with their families in 2022 for treatment in the UK. I would presume the OP has the same objections to these children.

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:37

https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-024-00663-3

Interesting paper here on Palestinian representation in Israeli healthcare professions and it is significant as would be expected in a but i ethnic society..

It begs the question why Arab health professionals in Israeli hospitals aren't going on strike until the hospitals start treating Gazans. Indeed the Arabs working in Israeli healthcare provide taxes to the Israeli government ta significant proportion of which is spent on the milotary. Arabs working in hospitals I. Two Aviv probably are quite sanguine about his.

The middle East is a lot more complex than this on the left think.

Arab representation in Israeli healthcare professions: achievements, challenges and opportunities - Israel Journal of Health Policy Research

Background Israel is a multiethnic society with a population of 9.8 million at the end of 2023. Israeli Arabs (i.e., Arab Palestinian citizens of Israel) account for 21% of the Israel’s overall population, 22% of its working age population and 16% of t...

https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-024-00663-3

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Lifeinthepit · 14/09/2025 08:33

Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 08:30

So you are ok to have other children come to the UK but not Palestinian?

You know the point the OP is making. Why Gazan children only?

Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 08:30

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:27

It's right that Jordan takes in children as it is a state with close affiliation with the Palestinians. However doing some research as suggested Jordan and Egypt have great fears of increasing immigration of Palestinians because of potential destabilization of their governments. It may the case that in future mass migration of Ga Gazans may be a tropical point so that should be interesting.

There are millions of children in the developing world that would benefit from world class free treatment in UK hospitals but it simply fantasy to say this can heppen. By cherry picking Gazan children it seems like a crass political point made by a focus group. Are the British government going to get money back from Israel, nope.

People recognise virtue signalling when they see it.

So you are ok to have other children come to the UK but not Palestinian?

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:28

It's right that Jordan takes in children as it is a state with close affiliation with the Palestinians. However doing some research as suggested Jordan and Egypt have great fears of increasing immigration of Palestinians because of potential destabilization of their governments. It may the case that in future mass migration of Ga Gazans may be a tropical point so that should be interesting.

There are millions of children in the developing world that would benefit from world class free treatment in UK hospitals but it simply fantasy to say this can heppen. By cherry picking Gazan children it seems like a crass political point made by a focus group. Are the British government going to get money back from Israel, nope.

People recognise virtue signalling when they see it.

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mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:27

It's right that Jordan takes in children as it is a state with close affiliation with the Palestinians. However doing some research as suggested Jordan and Egypt have great fears of increasing immigration of Palestinians because of potential destabilization of their governments. It may the case that in future mass migration of Ga Gazans may be a tropical point so that should be interesting.

There are millions of children in the developing world that would benefit from world class free treatment in UK hospitals but it simply fantasy to say this can heppen. By cherry picking Gazan children it seems like a crass political point made by a focus group. Are the British government going to get money back from Israel, nope.

People recognise virtue signalling when they see it.

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Buffypaws · 14/09/2025 08:24

Just the main ones on the telly I think. Gaza and Ukraine.
trying to get my friend in Afghanistan to safety and it’s impossible.

Lifeinthepit · 14/09/2025 08:19

Do we take in injured children and their families from all.war zones out of interest? Is there a system in place where this happens? Or is it just Gaza?

HazelBeeZee · 14/09/2025 08:18

If they weren’t being attacked and starved in the first place they wouldn’t need to come here. And yes I believe we do have a responsibility when we’re actively funding the weapons, parts etc that are causing these injuries.

I have no issue with children, who never chose any of this, coming here and being safe. I’d absolutely give room in my home for them too before that’s thrown about.

saraclara · 14/09/2025 08:15

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 06:59

There are plenty of good hospitals in Egypt and the middle East more generally so why great children in hospitals in a country thousands of miles away. Surely testing children in more local countries really let reduces the risk of travel on treatment outcomes? Saudi can pay Ronaldo 500 million a year in salary for football yet the UK has the bill for treating Gazans?....hmmmmm......are we having taken for a ride?

You and @Insertfootnote really haven't bothered doing your research have you? I bet you also come out with ' why don't refugees stay on the first safe country?' too, oblivious to the fact that the vast majority do (and of course if geography was different and we were their first safe country, you'd be screaming for other countries to take their share).

pps have already explained that places like Jordan have taken many, many children. We're helping by taking a tiny handful. And you resent even that.

mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:14

The point is we have a large section of the population resentful of immigration and asylum which the government recognises her we see here exceptions being made for Gaza. If nothing else it's a vote loser and panders to the far right.

There is a strange optimism about people thinking incredibly traumatised children with possible amputations who have not been educated in a war zone in 12 years time having the qualifications needed to outperform UK students in getting posts for medicine or other professions. Where is the logic? A lot of any potential refugees may not have good command of English or significant qualifications hence will just be another target for the far right exacerbating social divisons in the country.

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mids2019 · 14/09/2025 08:09

Of you Google 'best hospitals in Saudi Arabia and Dubai' the facilities are fantastic so there are other options. Many gulf states are incredibly rich and could provide great facilities for the people they purportedly support.

We also have to look at cost. It is good Jordan is accepting child casualties but it is opaque who is paying for the treatment and whether the Jordanian government is getting any financial support for providing the healthcare. As children in Jordanian hospitals aren't likely to return to Gaza the Jordanian government are probably touchy about whether treatment of ill children is the thin edge of the wedge into accepting Palestinian refugees.

To take on foreign children for expensive treatment from an NHS WHO can't service it's own population is bound to ruffle feathers and how has the capacity in paediatric departments suddenly increased from no where? We are spending tax payers money on feature politics and if we are setting a precedent for accepting ill children from abroad how is that going to be suatainable? I am surprised no one has accused the British government of supporting ethnic cleansing by accepting children who will likely not return to Gaza.

I think people really do have a point about Palestinian children of allowed to stay being prone to radicalisation. I am saying this not as a racist stereotype but our of being genuinely concerned about a lot of these children having kind standing grievances against Israelis and by extension Jews. It would be disingenuous to think that these children after what they have witnessed or suffered to be accepting of a society where Israel is accepted as a state and an ally. In terms of history the children would learn a while new world viewpoint in the UK that would utterly contradict what they learned in Hamas ran schools in Gaza leading to utter confusion and the children would probably feel they were being indoctrinated. Immersed in UK/US culture the children would feel very much out of place and God knows what their future psychology will be like.

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AtlasPine · 14/09/2025 08:06

SirHumphreyRocks · 14/09/2025 08:02

5 years on are these kids going to claiming pip in council accommodation being harassed by Tommy Robinson supporters as terrorists.

Your right wing politics are showing.

Or alternatively in ten years time some of these children will be the doctors and nurses treating you in your old age, the tax payers making sure your pension is covered, the volunteers bringing you tea in your lunch club, the counsellor working hard to make sure the pavements in your borough are well maintained so you don’t fall going to the shops for your teabags, the science teachers ensuring your grandchildren still have access to specialist teachers at secondary school.

Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 08:03

SirHumphreyRocks · 14/09/2025 08:02

5 years on are these kids going to claiming pip in council accommodation being harassed by Tommy Robinson supporters as terrorists.

Your right wing politics are showing.

Were tanking in the polls with Muslims so let's get the publicity of treating a few injured kids in UK hospitals......let's make sure we get plenty of shots of them hugging toys while being treated to show how virtuous we are'

Not the only thing showing.

Martymcfly24 · 14/09/2025 08:02

It's ok to bomb all the hospitals there's Hamas in there.

It's ok to kill and detain the medics and illegally detain the doctors they are definitely linked to Hamas.

It's ok to ban the import of medical supplies Hamas are using them to make rockets.

Now you expect us to take 30 sick kids, why do they have to come over here? It's a disgrace.

SirHumphreyRocks · 14/09/2025 08:02

5 years on are these kids going to claiming pip in council accommodation being harassed by Tommy Robinson supporters as terrorists.

Your right wing politics are showing.

GameWheelsAlarm · 14/09/2025 07:57

Of course we aren't going to send them back to a war zone once they are recovered. That would be mad. We aren't bringing all the children here, we are bringing a tiny fraction which is proportionate to our ability to help, snd lots of other countries are doing similar. All civilised countries that value human dignity want to do their fair share to help. In civilised countries hopefully the voices who reckon that selfishly guarding our resourses and borders and its therefore better to allow foreign children to die or let other countries do more than their fair share will be a minority, free to speak bit not influential enough to stop the majority from doing what is right. The countries where that's not true, and the antihumanitarian voices win, are no longer in the category of "civilised countries" so I hope that doesn't happen in the uk.

ColadhSamh · 14/09/2025 07:56

There are thousands and thousands of children who have been murdered by Israel and you're bothered by a few who have been injured by the same cruel regime coming to UK for medical help?
Every single day young Palestinian children are murdered by Israel yet the very few coming to UK bother you?
I pity you for thinking the way you do and further trying to politicise a humane gesture.

Postandghost123 · 14/09/2025 07:55

It’s great that some posters have taken time out from putting up flags and attending anti-immigration protests to post on this thread. Care to share your time management skills?

ShesTheAlbatross · 14/09/2025 07:46

Insertfootnote · 14/09/2025 07:26

I don't understand why they aren't being taken to Jordan or Egypt or one of the many Muslim countries. Surely it would be better for these children and their families to be in safe countries with their own religion and culture. We should be pressurising the wealthy counties of the middle east to step up, not bringing yet more people here.

They are. You can’t think that the handful we’ve taken are all the injured children?

Of those evacuated from Gaza, Egypt has taken 60%, 30% have gone to Jordan & the UAE, America took a few, France, Spain, & Turkey have also received some children for treatment.

saraclara · 14/09/2025 07:45

I always used to wonder why it was so hard to get children out of Germany during the Reich.
With attitudes like this I understand.

Indeed

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