Over 1000 people have been kidnapped from the West Bank

It's disappointing that you completely disregard (and in the case of Gaza, deny) the occupation and the subjugation of Palestinians for decades but it takes all sorts I guess.

No. Hamas exists because of the desire to destroy Israel.

Hamas et al exist because of the occupation.

I got my threads mixed up. I thought we were talking about Gaza. People so often say, inaccurately, that Gaza is occupied. No I don't think Israel should be occupying the WB. I think they need to withdraw the settlers. Im under no illusion that in the short term that would stop terrorism or, yes, the desire of many Palestinians and others to destroy Israel, which fundamentally IS the main problem. But it would be a necessary step to peace.

You think the main problem in the West Bank(where this event took place) is the desire of Hamas, Iran and others to destroy Israel and kill Jews? Not the fact that Israel have stated over and over again that they want the West Bank for themselves, not the fact that they have put policies in place to take the land for themselves, not the fact that their army defends violent settlers as they take land for themselves, not the fact that they have put in place a two tier system which makes life difficult for Palestinians(understatement) like if you are Jewish you can have water if you are Palestinian you can't. None of that is the 'main' problem. Israel are just defending themselves in Palestinian territory right, it's completely inconsequential that they shouldn't actually be there at all.

Does that give Israel the right to kill 65000 Palestines then? Its obvious who is being killed and wiped out. Im surprised you dont see it.

No. The occupation is not the main problem. The main problem is the stated desire of Hamas, Iran and others to destroy Israel and kill Jews.

I know, right, like, seriously 😆

Why would Sharon pointing out that Quds news network is not a reputable source due to a lack of transparency, the promotion of propaganda, poor sourcing, and numerous failed fact checks mean that she doesn't care about dead people in Palestine?

It's possible to debate without getting personal and it's possible to stand up for Israel but also believe their government have gone too far re civilian deaths.

Dont you care about the number of dead people in Palestine? Like seriously, do you just not care?

Well it's worth a try surely. The occupation is the main problem, much as people who support it try to deny it.

The thing is though in every single society there are violent people. The vast, vast, vast majority of Palestinians are peaceful and are just trying to live their lives as best they can in really difficult situations. There isn't one Palestinian hive mind that can say enough now, no more violence and there it is no more violence. It doesn't work like that. You are asking Palestinians to do what no other society and certainly not one under violent occupation has managed to do, eradicate terrorism. Only then, if they manage the impossible they be seen worthy of help?

It's astounding how you've solved this centuries old conflict in 2 sentences.

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It's almost as though ending the violent occupation could be central to stopping all this violence.

Give the woman a prize!

Here's an idea. Israel stop occupying Palestinian territory.

Problem solved.

Completely agree .I did too, I was sure I read that last week but I saw this yesterday.

https://www.thejournal.ie/netanyahu-palestinian-state-west-bank-e1-settlement-6814448-Sep2025/

I thought theyd pulled back from that dissect plan. Awful news.

There cant be a solution to this until Palestinians have a homeland that they run for themselves ( without violence obvs )

Shortsighted of Israel. Actually worse. Stupid, and bound to result in more violence.

I would hope they would.

And it does seem like the path that would lead to the least amount of bloodshed. The only part I think I would find difficult to agree with is that international pressure would affect BN, it would have to be the USA that would do this and I don't know if that would happen.

Also the effect of the plan signed yesterday to dissect the West Bank will completely effect people in Palestines attitudes, what's the point in doing the right thing and ending violence if a 2SS is never on the cards.

Under BN no, I don't think peaceful protest would win political ends.

But I do 100% think it would mean less retaliatory violence, even under BN.

And I honestly think if Palestinian leadership were to put out a statement on behalf of both Gaza and WB that there would be no more violence and Hamas were gone, hostages returned, and for say for example 6m; no rockets, no bombs, no terrorism, no shootings, peaceful delegations sent to the USA and Europe to advocate the Palestinian cause, international pressure would be such that a real peace process to a 2ss could start.

The constant use of violence isnt working for Palestinians is it? In neither Gaza or the WB are their lives improving.

They should try another way. Its their future, after all. Israel is taking care of its own. Palestinian leadership should try the same. I think under a moderate leadership next year, they could get their homeland.

This is what the IDF have been doing there for months.
(+972 Magazine
June 5 2025)
In Nur Shams and Tulkarem, Israeli incursions leave ‘nothing to salvage’
Since January, the army has depopulated the two West Bank camps and destroyed hundreds of homes, while turning others into barracks.
www.972mag.com/nur-shams-tulkarem-army-destruction/

I think peaceful resistance should always be the preferred aim by everyone. Do you think genuinely though that Israel will trust and allow peaceful protests and do you think they will work to change the current stalemate?

Both sides have overused ( for want of a better word) violence both Hamas in it's violent bloody massacre and Israel since then.

Fair point.

Israel should get out of the WB and go home. Take their bloody settlers with them.

Palestinians should stop using terrorism as a mean of political protest.

Maybe that would be a start.

I think if Israelis were in Israel then they wouldn't even know about this roadside bomb or the shooting at the bus stop.

Instead of telling Palestinians to behave for their occupiers we could try telling Israel to go home.