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BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 20:48

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 20:20

It's living in cuckoo land at this stage. How anyone can still support the genocidal Israeli assault is beyond me.

Thankfully a lot of people never have supported it or have changed their minds as the horror unfolded.

Additionally many people are no longer doing the left right divide (all parties fuck us over and can be easily influenced). People can see that some people are trying to push false narratives in order to forment discord and anger.

Take Charlie Kirk's murder, a lot of the same people who have continually denied what has been happening in Gaza as FAFO, Pallywood or justified tried to hijack the narrative, make Kirk a "martyr" and launch a war on the "left".

Thankfully as their actions were so well documented through the last 2 years they failed and the youngins both left and right called them out. Influencers from both the left and right have joined together and said nope, not today.

For some weird reason after Kirk's death, Hitler praising racist white supremacist Nick Fuentes was invited on to some popular and mostly pro Israeli podcasts for interviews. Listen to these young men call him out for being paid by AIPAC and call for unity. The kids aren't stupid. 5.1 million views.

https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1972763821854146867

As Mel says "the toothpaste ain't going back in the tube"

Mel (@Villgecrazylady) on X

The toothpaste ain’t goin’ back in the tube

https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1972763821854146867

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 20:48

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 20:41

And yet funnily enough fighting ISIS and Al Qaeeda didn't recruit more terrorists into their ranks. I didn't see anyone on these boards saying we shouldn't fight back against them or their children would come after us.

What's so special about Palestinians that you expect them to be more easily radicalised than other people?

The majority of the people killed by the government you support are Palestinian civilians though, 70% women and children.

Cities weren’t blanket bombed when fighting ISIS to the point that 92% of homes were flattened, kids weren’t shot by snipers in the head and in the genitals. War crimes were committed and innocent people died but not on this massive scale - that is why the majority of human rights organisations along with many western governments have called this a genocide.

SharonEllis · 01/10/2025 20:42

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Why are you accusing Gloria of bombing and murder?

dairydebris · 01/10/2025 20:41

God. If I had cash for everytime someone on here suggested I enjoy justifying the death of children I'd be rich! Rich I tell you!

Funnily enough no one who knows me in real life thinks I justify the death of children.

Perhaps if you kept it a little less personal youd get less deletions? Something to consider.

Gn.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 20:41

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And yet funnily enough fighting ISIS and Al Qaeeda didn't recruit more terrorists into their ranks. I didn't see anyone on these boards saying we shouldn't fight back against them or their children would come after us.

What's so special about Palestinians that you expect them to be more easily radicalised than other people?

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 20:37

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Gloriia · 01/10/2025 20:26

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 20:20

It's living in cuckoo land at this stage. How anyone can still support the genocidal Israeli assault is beyond me.

I support getting rid of terrorists. So should you.

Sadly they still haven't surrendered.

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 20:20

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 20:07

Don’t kid yourself, it’s not just one age group. People of all ages can see what’s happening- and you don’t need to be under 30 to call out the killing of tens of thousands of children and civilians. Which you appear to be justifying.

It's living in cuckoo land at this stage. How anyone can still support the genocidal Israeli assault is beyond me.

Gloriia · 01/10/2025 20:12

'But equally the left’s absolute failure to acknowledge Oct 7, apart from saying ‘it didn’t start there…’ and to treat slaughtered Jewish families as nothing more than an inconvenience, is contemptible'

It is contemptible. We've had posters on these threads saying 'they're sick of hearing about the hostages', 'they aren't relevant' Shock, sick of Oct 7th and apparently 'yes but hamas' is a snorefest too.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 20:07

dairydebris · 01/10/2025 19:48

Dont worry. As those respondents get older and start to think about things a bit more deeply, question themselves and their assumptions, learn to see the world in less black and white terms- a good few of them will become a bit more sympathetic to Israel's situation. Tale as old as time.

Don’t kid yourself, it’s not just one age group. People of all ages can see what’s happening- and you don’t need to be under 30 to call out the killing of tens of thousands of children and civilians. Which you appear to be justifying.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 20:00

Gloriia · 01/10/2025 19:54

A pp had decided that most of the general public around the world have shifted their opinion', so I said yes hamas pr had convinced many people who had lapped up the propaganda. So I was talking about 'something someone said'.

When you say 'the old Gloriia special' it suggests you are mocking which I know will not be your intent.

Regarding my previous comment is there a thread listing the names of the dc killed in the Yemen conflict do you know? If not I wonder why.

You didn’t actually respond to the point, you reframed it into something else entirely.

And dragging in Yemen doesn’t erase what’s happening in Gaza.

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Gloriia · 01/10/2025 19:54

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A pp had decided that most of the general public around the world have shifted their opinion', so I said yes hamas pr had convinced many people who had lapped up the propaganda. So I was talking about 'something someone said'.

When you say 'the old Gloriia special' it suggests you are mocking which I know will not be your intent.

Regarding my previous comment is there a thread listing the names of the dc killed in the Yemen conflict do you know? If not I wonder why.

dairydebris · 01/10/2025 19:48

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 19:01

NYT poll from late September 2025 shows that Forty percent of US voters think Israel is intentionally killing civilians in Gaza.

When asked if Israel was taking enough precautions to avoid civilian casualties, 62 percent said they were not, with just 25 percent saying Israel was taking enough precautions.

More than half of registered US voters disapprove of Israel’s war, and 59 percent said they believe that Israel should stop its "military campaign" even if Hamas has not been fully "eliminated". Only 27 percent said the campaign should continue.

When asked if Israel's campaign should stop even "if not all Israeli hostages have been released", 58 percent agreed, with 30 percent saying they should continue.

The best part which indicates where the future is heading: The majority of voters under the age of 30, regardless of political party, are also now less likely to back support for Israel. Nearly 70% of them said they opposed economic or military aid flowing from the US to Israel.

Keep it up! It's working wonderfully 😅🫣😉

Dont worry. As those respondents get older and start to think about things a bit more deeply, question themselves and their assumptions, learn to see the world in less black and white terms- a good few of them will become a bit more sympathetic to Israel's situation. Tale as old as time.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 19:33

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Uggbootsforever · 01/10/2025 19:06

Soontobe60 · 10/09/2025 20:17

38 Israeli children were killed by Hamas on 7/10. The attacks began at around 6.30am so those children were murdered over around a 12 hour period - that’s around 3 children an hour.
Do those children not matter because they were Jewish?

Quite.

Jewish lives are so cheap, and they’re relentlessly expected to overlook their slaughter ‘to keep the peace’.

I HATE what is happening in Gaza, follow Al Jazeera and force myself to watch the shocking and horrifying videos and photos of small injured children because I think it’s my moral duty not to hide from it.

But equally the left’s absolute failure to acknowledge Oct 7, apart from saying ‘it didn’t start there…’ and to treat slaughtered Jewish families as nothing more than an inconvenience, is contemptible.

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 19:01

NYT poll from late September 2025 shows that Forty percent of US voters think Israel is intentionally killing civilians in Gaza.

When asked if Israel was taking enough precautions to avoid civilian casualties, 62 percent said they were not, with just 25 percent saying Israel was taking enough precautions.

More than half of registered US voters disapprove of Israel’s war, and 59 percent said they believe that Israel should stop its "military campaign" even if Hamas has not been fully "eliminated". Only 27 percent said the campaign should continue.

When asked if Israel's campaign should stop even "if not all Israeli hostages have been released", 58 percent agreed, with 30 percent saying they should continue.

The best part which indicates where the future is heading: The majority of voters under the age of 30, regardless of political party, are also now less likely to back support for Israel. Nearly 70% of them said they opposed economic or military aid flowing from the US to Israel.

Keep it up! It's working wonderfully 😅🫣😉

Israel has killed one child every hour
Gloriia · 01/10/2025 18:40

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 18:30

You're in good company. Most of the general public around the world have shifted their opinion due to a combination of the excessive justification aka "explanation" of what the Israeli government is carrying out. The name calling, mockery and unfounded accusations.

Ironically that behaviour has had the opposite effect as intended.

Yes it is true hamas has had a good pr thing going on and many have lapped it up. All quiet on that front since their pr chief was zapped we've had no recent allegations of dc being shot who then appear on chat shows 2 weeks later and the famine allegations seem to have fizzled out.

Got to hand it to some of the UN folk, walking out on BN but seal clapping the Syrian president, a former Al queeda terrorist. Sums the dodgy UN organisation up doesn't it.

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 18:30

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 16:28

They haven’t exactly done a good job either. I’ve shifted even further the other way than I was when I first joined this thread.

You're in good company. Most of the general public around the world have shifted their opinion due to a combination of the excessive justification aka "explanation" of what the Israeli government is carrying out. The name calling, mockery and unfounded accusations.

Ironically that behaviour has had the opposite effect as intended.

Gloriia · 01/10/2025 18:21

'The CITME board didn’t exist at the time'

Whaat?!

But where did all the posters debate all the other conflicts in the Middle East before the citme board was started?

Where did they discuss their boycotts and list the civilians sadly killed? Where did they talk about alleged genocide and alleged famines? There is a thread with all the names of those killed in Syria and Yemen isn't there?

Sadly, it seems only a conflict that involves Israel enrages some posters 🤔.

Twiglets1 · 01/10/2025 17:54

dairydebris · 01/10/2025 16:24

Luckily we're well paid in Sheckles 😇

Yes 😂

Still waiting for mine but I’m sure it’s in the post.

Much like the Hamas copy of the peace plan that everyone seemed to receive before them.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 01/10/2025 16:28

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 16:22

Some poster(s) put in very long shifts policing the threads on the CITME board.

They haven’t exactly done a good job either. I’ve shifted even further the other way than I was when I first joined this thread.

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SharonEllis · 01/10/2025 16:25

GladioliGreen · 01/10/2025 15:53

No Sharon, 'actually' I read it just fine.

Well you clearly didn't understand it because noone was arguing for the 'abuse and subjugation' of Palestinians nor did anyone say Palestinians either haven't or aren't suffering. So I really don't know what ykur purpose is except the usual twist to claim that people are dismissing Palestinian suffering.

dairydebris · 01/10/2025 16:24

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 16:22

Some poster(s) put in very long shifts policing the threads on the CITME board.

Luckily we're well paid in Sheckles 😇

ScrollingLeaves · 01/10/2025 16:23

Twiglets1 · 01/10/2025 11:26

World War II reparations

The Allies finally agreed for German reparations to be paid in the following forms:

  • Dismantling of the German industry
  • Transferring all manufacturing equipment, machinery and machine tools to the Allies
  • Transferring all railroad cars, locomotives and ships to the Allies
  • Confiscation of all German investments abroad
  • All gold, silver and platinum in bullion or coin form held by any person/institution in Germany
  • All foreign currency
  • All patents and research data relevant to military application and processes
  • Requisition of current German industrial production and resource extraction
  • Forced labour provided by the German population

Occupation costs
After World War II ended, the main four Allied powers – Great Britain, The United States, France, and the Soviet Union – jointly occupied Germany, with the Allied occupation officially ending in the 1950s. During this time, Germany was held accountable for the Allied occupation's expenses, amounting to over several billion dollars.

Holocaust victims
Germany concluded a variety of treaties with Western and Eastern countries as well as the Jewish Claims Conference and the World Jewish Congress to compensate the victims of the Holocaust. Until 2005 about 63 billion euros (equivalent to approximately 87.9 billion euros in 2022) have been paid to individuals. Additional payments by German companies which exploited forced workers have been made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

This morning
Twiglets1 · Today 07:17
you wrote:

”It’s the same with every war.
The German people for example were heavily punished financially for starting a war & losing it (twice).”

“Maybe the majority of their civilians didn’t deserve it either but they all got punished for having a mad government that kept attacking other countries.”

But this from The Marshall Plan Foundation suggests a different principle was at work:

Germany - A Special Case

"To talk about the recovery of Europe and to oppose the recovery of Germany is nonsense. People can have both or they can have neither." (George F. Kennan)

As we have indicated, that Germany was a Marshall Plan recipient in the first place did not make the other participating countries very happy, but taking economic revenge was simply not a viable alternative. In fact, Germany had already received a large amount of U.S. aid before the Marshall Plan was even conceived: starting almost immediately after the war.

That is just an excerpt from:
https://www.marshallfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Marshall_Plan_1947-1997_A_German_View.pdf

I can’t quite see Gaza as having had comparable power to Germany 1939 -1945 in any case.

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 16:22

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Some poster(s) put in very long shifts policing the threads on the CITME board.