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SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 12:07

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 10:55

In exactly the same time frame? No is the answer to that! Israel have killed a shockingly high amount of Palestinians in less than two years. And the number will turn out to be far higher because you can't count hidden bodies under rubble. There will also be the "excess deaths" so Palestinians who will die from disease / long term effects of injuries related to Israel's actions.

Also has the UK Government been complicit in whats happened in Nigeria? Have they assisted Boko Haram? Have they publicly defended Boko Haram's right to kill Christians? They've certainly been complicit in the Genocide of the Palestinian people, and thats part of the outcry.

So its not people being killed that matter, its who's killing them? So much for all lives being equal.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 11:47

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 09:53

I also do not understand why people believe the Hamas figures which do not distinguish between civilians & Palestinian armed groups.

Even if the number of deaths are roughly accurate, we have no way of knowing how many are Hamas & other militant fighters & how many are civilians.

Yet some are happy to keep repeating what Hamas say and how they say it, as if every Palestinian killed can be assumed to be an innocent civilian.

I’m not denying that many thousands of innocent civilians have been killed of course. But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

Except every major NGO and the UN say that Israel are targeting civillians. That's who people are listening to. Not the people committing genocide, not Hamas and not Israel obsessives.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 10:55

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

In exactly the same time frame? No is the answer to that! Israel have killed a shockingly high amount of Palestinians in less than two years. And the number will turn out to be far higher because you can't count hidden bodies under rubble. There will also be the "excess deaths" so Palestinians who will die from disease / long term effects of injuries related to Israel's actions.

Also has the UK Government been complicit in whats happened in Nigeria? Have they assisted Boko Haram? Have they publicly defended Boko Haram's right to kill Christians? They've certainly been complicit in the Genocide of the Palestinian people, and thats part of the outcry.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 09:53

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

I also do not understand why people believe the Hamas figures which do not distinguish between civilians & Palestinian armed groups.

Even if the number of deaths are roughly accurate, we have no way of knowing how many are Hamas & other militant fighters & how many are civilians.

Yet some are happy to keep repeating what Hamas say and how they say it, as if every Palestinian killed can be assumed to be an innocent civilian.

I’m not denying that many thousands of innocent civilians have been killed of course. But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 09:19

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 07:06

Incorrect. International law does not give a blank cheque for civilian massacres. it requires distinction and proportionality. That’s why the ICJ, UN investigators, and multiple human rights bodies have said Israel may be committing war crimes.

As for aid: trickling in a few trucks after deliberately blocking food, water, and medicine isn’t ‘humanitarian’, it’s siege warfare. Starvation is explicitly banned under international law.

Drones- documented by Amnesty, HRW, and even Israeli sources. One of the most reported cases was 9-year-old Almna, killed by an Israeli drone strike whilst carrying water for her family. Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look- maybe stick to google before the emoji.

Amnesty and HRW? There have been plenty of reports highlighting their impartiality (and the UN for that matter), maybe stick to Google before falling for such biased sources

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 09:00

'Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look'

No one is 'laughing at dead children' as you well know. What a very unpleasant thing to say.

The pp was laughing at 'the hamas lead health ministry'. You may think they're a bastion of truth and fact but most of us know any figures realised by 'hamas' will be bollocks.

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 07:50

EatMoreChocolate44 · 02/10/2025 07:28

Of course Jewish children matter. All children matter. It is horrendous that any child is murdered but the sheer scale of the atrocities that is happening in Gaza needs to be highlighted. They are being bombed and shot indiscriminately. It is absolutely horrifying and the posters on here who try to excuse it or say what about hamas, what about Oct 7th is shameful. Most people agree that hamas are terrible that what happened on Oct 7th was awful but we have to focus on the thousands of families in Gaza now that are suffering beyond our comprehension.

Hamas are still holding hostages. The focus needs to also be on them.

EatMoreChocolate44 · 02/10/2025 07:28

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:30

Anyone care to respond to this? Or do Jewish children not matter?

Of course Jewish children matter. All children matter. It is horrendous that any child is murdered but the sheer scale of the atrocities that is happening in Gaza needs to be highlighted. They are being bombed and shot indiscriminately. It is absolutely horrifying and the posters on here who try to excuse it or say what about hamas, what about Oct 7th is shameful. Most people agree that hamas are terrible that what happened on Oct 7th was awful but we have to focus on the thousands of families in Gaza now that are suffering beyond our comprehension.

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 07:15

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 07:06

Incorrect. International law does not give a blank cheque for civilian massacres. it requires distinction and proportionality. That’s why the ICJ, UN investigators, and multiple human rights bodies have said Israel may be committing war crimes.

As for aid: trickling in a few trucks after deliberately blocking food, water, and medicine isn’t ‘humanitarian’, it’s siege warfare. Starvation is explicitly banned under international law.

Drones- documented by Amnesty, HRW, and even Israeli sources. One of the most reported cases was 9-year-old Almna, killed by an Israeli drone strike whilst carrying water for her family. Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look- maybe stick to google before the emoji.

Noone said international law gives a blank cheque for civilian massacres. Why do you say things like this? Literally noone is arguing that. But it does recognise when a civilian building, like say a hospital has been turned into a military target by the actions of combatants who are using it for military purposes. It does also recognise that the use of human shields is a war crime and everyone knows that is central to Hamas's strategy. Im not getting into this debate with you yet again because you know this is true. Anyone reading can look it up.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 07:06

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 06:53

Incorrect. International law allows for urban warfare and enemy combatants hiding within a civilian population

Israel aren't very good at starving a population if they're also running an aid programme for that population. In fact they're the only country in the world to provide aid to people they're at war with.

Drones on children? Where are you getting that info from, the Gazan 'health ministry'? 😂

Incorrect. International law does not give a blank cheque for civilian massacres. it requires distinction and proportionality. That’s why the ICJ, UN investigators, and multiple human rights bodies have said Israel may be committing war crimes.

As for aid: trickling in a few trucks after deliberately blocking food, water, and medicine isn’t ‘humanitarian’, it’s siege warfare. Starvation is explicitly banned under international law.

Drones- documented by Amnesty, HRW, and even Israeli sources. One of the most reported cases was 9-year-old Almna, killed by an Israeli drone strike whilst carrying water for her family. Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look- maybe stick to google before the emoji.

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SisterTeatime · 02/10/2025 07:03

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 21:05

The IDF live in the community, by your logic a country could legitimately carpet bomb Israel because the IDF have embedded themselves amongst civilians. Could a hospital be bombed because it is treating IDF soldiers, could a housing estate, an apartment block. These soldiers have shot infants in the head, shot them in the genitals, murdered doctors, journalists and then they go back and embed themselves in the community. So Israeli schools, hospitals, houses are all legitimate targets??

With all due respect, this is a huge reach.

However, to be serious, there was no discrimination on Oct 7 - soldiers, civilians, men, women, children, Jews, Arabs, Israelis, foreign nationals were indiscriminately attacked - and Hamas’s rockets and terrorist attacks on Israel since make no attempt to discriminate between military and civilian targets. So I guess in a sense you are correct - and lest we forget, it is the stated aim of Hamas to destroy Israel, repeating Oct 7 again and again.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 06:53

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 06:45

‘But Hamas hides among civilians!’ isn’t a legal defence, it’s an excuse. International law still requires Israel to differentiate between combatants and civilians. When 70% of the dead are women and children, you can drop the pretence- it’s not ‘urban warfare,’ it’s indiscriminate slaughter.

Starving 2 million people and using drones on children doesn’t exactly scream ‘careful targeting,’ does it?

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Incorrect. International law allows for urban warfare and enemy combatants hiding within a civilian population

Israel aren't very good at starving a population if they're also running an aid programme for that population. In fact they're the only country in the world to provide aid to people they're at war with.

Drones on children? Where are you getting that info from, the Gazan 'health ministry'? 😂

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 06:45

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 20:58

And the blame for that lies with Hamas for embedding themselves amongst civilians. At least Al Qaeeda and ISIS had the decency not to do that, whereas Hamas have said they're willing to martyr every last civilian. International organisations like NATO have written reports on it. Hamas are barbaric and the only hope for Palestinians now lies with the international community applying pressure on Hamas to accept this peace deal

‘But Hamas hides among civilians!’ isn’t a legal defence, it’s an excuse. International law still requires Israel to differentiate between combatants and civilians. When 70% of the dead are women and children, you can drop the pretence- it’s not ‘urban warfare,’ it’s indiscriminate slaughter.

Starving 2 million people and using drones on children doesn’t exactly scream ‘careful targeting,’ does it?

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Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 21:39

SharonEllis · 01/10/2025 21:31

Don't be ridiculous.

It's not me that's being ridiculous Sharon.

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 21:31

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 21:01

They must be stupid, why would AIPAC fund a Hitler loving white supremacist? That's really taking anti-Jewish conspiracies a bit too far, but conspiracy theorists have never been known for being rational. Flat earth anyone 🤣

Stupid or not, untrue or not what they're saying is what a lot of young people are saying in America since Kirk's murder.

It's been fascinating watching a large group of MAGA (traditionally the most pro Israel demographic) openly accusing Israel of being involved. Not helped by Netanyahu repeatedly denying involvement. https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-israel-charle-kirk-monstrous-lie-2131663

It's almost like boasting about assassinating lot's of people around the world means that folk may ask whether you were involved in the latest high profile assassination.

Netanyahu rejects "lie" over Kirk

Israel's Netanyahu rejects "monstrous big lie" over Charlie Kirk

The prime minister's statement comes as conservatives debate Kirk's attitude to Israel's leader.

https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-israel-charle-kirk-monstrous-lie-2131663

SharonEllis · 01/10/2025 21:31

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 21:13

It's a valid point. The IDF are intertwined in every part of Israeli society. Does that legitimise carpet bombing Israel?

Don't be ridiculous.

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 21:24

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 21:13

It is your logic. Is this not war. Do civilians not die in war. Or is it just Palestinians that are acceptable war targets.

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It was just yesterday Israel declared anyone who doesn't leave Gaza city will be treated as a terrorist. They are fucking sick..

xenogear · 01/10/2025 21:19

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 21:01

They must be stupid, why would AIPAC fund a Hitler loving white supremacist? That's really taking anti-Jewish conspiracies a bit too far, but conspiracy theorists have never been known for being rational. Flat earth anyone 🤣

Of course he's funded by AIPAC, some random american children said he is on tiktok and then an antisemite posted it on twitter. What more reliable source of information is there?

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 21:13

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It is your logic. Is this not war. Do civilians not die in war. Or is it just Palestinians that are acceptable war targets.

Kakeandkake · 01/10/2025 21:13

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It's a valid point. The IDF are intertwined in every part of Israeli society. Does that legitimise carpet bombing Israel?

SharonEllis · 01/10/2025 21:10

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KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 21:05

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 20:58

And the blame for that lies with Hamas for embedding themselves amongst civilians. At least Al Qaeeda and ISIS had the decency not to do that, whereas Hamas have said they're willing to martyr every last civilian. International organisations like NATO have written reports on it. Hamas are barbaric and the only hope for Palestinians now lies with the international community applying pressure on Hamas to accept this peace deal

The IDF live in the community, by your logic a country could legitimately carpet bomb Israel because the IDF have embedded themselves amongst civilians. Could a hospital be bombed because it is treating IDF soldiers, could a housing estate, an apartment block. These soldiers have shot infants in the head, shot them in the genitals, murdered doctors, journalists and then they go back and embed themselves in the community. So Israeli schools, hospitals, houses are all legitimate targets??

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 21:01

BelleHathor · 01/10/2025 20:48

Thankfully a lot of people never have supported it or have changed their minds as the horror unfolded.

Additionally many people are no longer doing the left right divide (all parties fuck us over and can be easily influenced). People can see that some people are trying to push false narratives in order to forment discord and anger.

Take Charlie Kirk's murder, a lot of the same people who have continually denied what has been happening in Gaza as FAFO, Pallywood or justified tried to hijack the narrative, make Kirk a "martyr" and launch a war on the "left".

Thankfully as their actions were so well documented through the last 2 years they failed and the youngins both left and right called them out. Influencers from both the left and right have joined together and said nope, not today.

For some weird reason after Kirk's death, Hitler praising racist white supremacist Nick Fuentes was invited on to some popular and mostly pro Israeli podcasts for interviews. Listen to these young men call him out for being paid by AIPAC and call for unity. The kids aren't stupid. 5.1 million views.

https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1972763821854146867

As Mel says "the toothpaste ain't going back in the tube"

They must be stupid, why would AIPAC fund a Hitler loving white supremacist? That's really taking anti-Jewish conspiracies a bit too far, but conspiracy theorists have never been known for being rational. Flat earth anyone 🤣

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/10/2025 20:58

KoalaKoKo · 01/10/2025 20:48

The majority of the people killed by the government you support are Palestinian civilians though, 70% women and children.

Cities weren’t blanket bombed when fighting ISIS to the point that 92% of homes were flattened, kids weren’t shot by snipers in the head and in the genitals. War crimes were committed and innocent people died but not on this massive scale - that is why the majority of human rights organisations along with many western governments have called this a genocide.

And the blame for that lies with Hamas for embedding themselves amongst civilians. At least Al Qaeeda and ISIS had the decency not to do that, whereas Hamas have said they're willing to martyr every last civilian. International organisations like NATO have written reports on it. Hamas are barbaric and the only hope for Palestinians now lies with the international community applying pressure on Hamas to accept this peace deal

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