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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 19:07

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 18:48

Bloody hell! It's sort of weird because on one hand I'm gobsmacked, and on the other hand not surprised at all.

Interesting isn’t it!

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Uggbootsforever · 02/10/2025 18:50

I mean I wasn’t surprised to hear Qatar fund the Palestine marches.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 18:48

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 18:41

Interesting article which has just been shared on another thread.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869219

Two key points from the “Esther Project” revelations:

  • The campaign was explicitly designed to sway public opinion abroad during Israel’s war on Gaza.
  • It involved covert funding and coordination to make content appear “grassroots,” when in reality it was a fully organised PR effort.

Bloody hell! It's sort of weird because on one hand I'm gobsmacked, and on the other hand not surprised at all.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 18:41

Interesting article which has just been shared on another thread.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869219

Two key points from the “Esther Project” revelations:

  • The campaign was explicitly designed to sway public opinion abroad during Israel’s war on Gaza.
  • It involved covert funding and coordination to make content appear “grassroots,” when in reality it was a fully organised PR effort.

Israel’s secret influencer campaign exposed | The Jerusalem Post

The filings reveal that a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.”

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869219

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 18:33

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 15:15

'The UN and all major NGOs agree that Israel are committing genocide'

The UN? No one takes any notice of them, plus I believe it was some independent committee not 'The UN' per se. There is a conflict, hopefully coming to an end.

Don't you think all the accusations of 'genocide' are directly responsible for the hate that Jews worldwide are now facing?

It isn’t the accusations of ‘genocide’ causing hate- it’s Israel killing 20,000 children. Mass civilian killings, starvation, and collective punishment create global outrage funnily enough.

If Israel hadn’t done what it has, there would be nothing to accuse.

Blaming the people who name the crimes, rather than the actions themselves, is a complete reversal of cause and effect.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 18:26

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 09:19

Amnesty and HRW? There have been plenty of reports highlighting their impartiality (and the UN for that matter), maybe stick to Google before falling for such biased sources

That’s the go to dismissal any time uncomfortable evidence comes up- call Amnesty, HRW, the UN, the ICJ all ‘biased’. But these are the same independent bodies used as credible sources when investigating any other conflict. Funny how they’re only suddenly unreliable when it comes to Israel.

If every major human rights body, the World Court, and even Israeli sources all point to the same violations, maybe the problem isn’t bias- it’s the evidence.

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Gloriia · 02/10/2025 15:15

'The UN and all major NGOs agree that Israel are committing genocide'

The UN? No one takes any notice of them, plus I believe it was some independent committee not 'The UN' per se. There is a conflict, hopefully coming to an end.

Don't you think all the accusations of 'genocide' are directly responsible for the hate that Jews worldwide are now facing?

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 15:08

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 14:55

Would you all stop it? Jewish people were attacked today in the UK.

Sorry @SharonEllis I will stop debating this now.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 15:07

Kakeandkake · 02/10/2025 14:54

Killing more humans than those on the flotilla ever did.

That's a cheap shot (no pun intended) because those on the flotillas will never get anywhere near the war zone, unlike the soldiers guarding the GHF sites.

So they don't have or need weapons.

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 14:55

Would you all stop it? Jewish people were attacked today in the UK.

Kakeandkake · 02/10/2025 14:54

Killing more humans than those on the flotilla ever did.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:52

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:36

Sure Twiglets. How is the GHF going these days, how many people have been killed there today? We've all seen what is supported outside of my 'bubble' and who supports it.

Feeding more Gazans than the flotilla's ever will, that's for sure.

The GHF have delivered 177 million meals.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:47

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I don't know why we have to keep going over the same old ground re genocide. Yes the UN call it one but no it hasn't been declared one legally and isn't considered one at the moment by the UK government.

You may like to think that people supporting Israel are in a small minority but not so small in reality.

Many people think both sides are partly to blame and just want this war to be over. Villainising one side is not good for peace and most of us don't want perpetual war and hatred going on for yet more generations.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:36

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:25

Yes they made up that word like they made up "who people are listening to" with no apparent understanding that people are all different outside their bubble.

Sure Twiglets. How is the GHF going these days, how many people have been killed there today? We've all seen what is supported outside of my 'bubble' and who supports it.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:33

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Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:25

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 14:10

'Some people would rather listen to genociders'

'Genociders'. Have you just made that word up? Are they 'faminers' too?

No, some people are able to see that terrorists should not be in charge of anywhere and if to get rid of them their unprotected civilians are killed we can all agree that is very sad.

The problem has always been the terrorists not the army trying to get shot of them.

Yes they made up that word like they made up "who people are listening to" with no apparent understanding that people are all different outside their bubble.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 14:10

'Some people would rather listen to genociders'

'Genociders'. Have you just made that word up? Are they 'faminers' too?

No, some people are able to see that terrorists should not be in charge of anywhere and if to get rid of them their unprotected civilians are killed we can all agree that is very sad.

The problem has always been the terrorists not the army trying to get shot of them.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:03

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 13:38

"That's who people are listening to" hmm ... I think you will find that people listen to many different sources and have a whole range of different opinions. Not everyone shares your opinions or believes your sources are credible.

Some do, some don't.

I think this board has proved that. Some people would rather listen to genociders who have been found to be committing illegal occupation and apartheid than the UN and NGOs, which is certainly an interesting choice.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 13:38

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 11:47

But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

Except every major NGO and the UN say that Israel are targeting civillians. That's who people are listening to. Not the people committing genocide, not Hamas and not Israel obsessives.

"That's who people are listening to" hmm ... I think you will find that people listen to many different sources and have a whole range of different opinions. Not everyone shares your opinions or believes your sources are credible.

Some do, some don't.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:21

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:45

It absolutely doesn't, there is no justification, despite some posters absolutely insisting there is. It has thoroughly depressed me the amount of members of this forum who have consistently justified and defended what has been done to Gaza and its population.

There isnt any justification for what hamas did true. They knew what would happen, they then didn't protect their civilians. The more deaths the better for the western media clowns who have believed everything hamas have fed them.

There is no place for a terrorist run territory. As BN said it is Israel now, it'll be Europe next. Isis were zapped, hamas are nearly done. Then gaza can hopefully have someone with some braincells trying to run the place.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 13:20

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:03

Well apparently we are 'complicit' as we supply arms to israel. Conveniently ignoring the fact that we supply arms globally and of course we are going to support a country who had hundreds murdered and abducted by terrorists on Oct 7th.

No one will say why there is a thread with the names of gazan civilians sadly killed in the conflict but no one seems interested in the names of anyone killed in Syria or Yemen.

That is whataboutery apparently, 'dragging Yemen into it', irrelevant etc etc.

We all know it's because it involves Israel. That is what enrages some people they just like to talk about boycotts and an alleged famine whilst ignoring that terrible fact.

That would explain why there is a thread dedicated to 20 Israeli soldiers who are held hostage but nothing at all about the 1000s of children Russia have taken. Daily postings about the same 20 soldiers but nothing about other people take elsewhere. 16 hostages were rescued in Nigeria just today but we won't see any mention of those poor people on that thread.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:03

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

Well apparently we are 'complicit' as we supply arms to israel. Conveniently ignoring the fact that we supply arms globally and of course we are going to support a country who had hundreds murdered and abducted by terrorists on Oct 7th.

No one will say why there is a thread with the names of gazan civilians sadly killed in the conflict but no one seems interested in the names of anyone killed in Syria or Yemen.

That is whataboutery apparently, 'dragging Yemen into it', irrelevant etc etc.

We all know it's because it involves Israel. That is what enrages some people they just like to talk about boycotts and an alleged famine whilst ignoring that terrible fact.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:45

crappycrapcrap · 02/10/2025 12:11

Regardless of political or religious affiliation, the scale of human suffering is surely enough to know that this is wrong. I can’t believe people are comparing numbers of dead children as if an eye for an eye makes any difference to the justification of this.

It absolutely doesn't, there is no justification, despite some posters absolutely insisting there is. It has thoroughly depressed me the amount of members of this forum who have consistently justified and defended what has been done to Gaza and its population.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:41

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 12:07

So its not people being killed that matter, its who's killing them? So much for all lives being equal.

I was pointing out that the pp did not compare like for like!! They insinuated that the situation in Nigeria is the same as Gaza so why was there so much outrage about Gaza. I explained the very obvious differences. Can't believe I'm having to explain that.

crappycrapcrap · 02/10/2025 12:11

Regardless of political or religious affiliation, the scale of human suffering is surely enough to know that this is wrong. I can’t believe people are comparing numbers of dead children as if an eye for an eye makes any difference to the justification of this.

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