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mids2019 · 11/09/2025 05:18

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Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 22:04

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 21:53

Here we go.

It’s not about the hostages- Israel doesn’t really want them back. Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit about the hostages.

November 2023 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and released over 100 hostages and were planning to release more but then Israel broke the ceasefire bombing again.

February of 2024, where Hamas agreed to release the hostages in phases but then Israel rejected this because they then called for a permanent ceasefire.

Then on April 2024, Hamas agreed to another deal that was just like Israel’s but Israel rejected and US officials even reported that they were intentionally stalling.

Israel finally accepted a deal in January 2025 which did call of all the hostages but then Israel launched surprise attacks and broke their own deal.

So it looks like to me, that even though Israel says it’s about the hostages thats not what this is about. To justify genocide and stay in power. Even the families themselves say that Israel is just using the hostages as a political tool to extend the war. Whether or not that means the rest of the hostages die.

As long as the hostages exist inside Gaza, Israel can justify even more violence and destruxtion. They’re actually incentivised not to bring their hostages back because then Netanyahu would lose power. Release the hostages is not a good faith argument, it’s a classic Israeli talking point to shift the blame to Palestinians and ignore the fact that Israel has had plenty of chances to get their hostages back without committing genocide.

There's no "here we go about it". It's completely tit for tat, and neither side give a damn about the innocents. As I said, it's a brutal, ugly play for territory. Israel wants Gazza, the neighbours want Isreal. The "expendable" Palestinians suffer.

Gansy · 10/09/2025 21:57

I’m so sick of this utter bullshitting out of posters on this forum. “eh, you’ll find that figure is 2% out!/10% out /17% out!
Anti-Semitic tropes!”

Over 18,000 children have been murdered. 18,000.
Is that not sensational enough?

Children blown apart, babies getting their 4-month old legs amputated with no anaesthetics. Children with complex needs being starved to death. I’ve seen so many children take their last breaths on filthy tile floors.

My heart is broken for them, and the good people of Israel living with disgusting depths the Israeli gov has sank to. Zero humanity. What a legacy.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 21:53

Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 21:09

We know that Hammas could have ended this by handing back the hostages. This is a complicated, 2000 year old war, and I think Gaza, being poor and of no value, is being used by the region as a sacrifice. Israel are over flexing out of fear, being surrounded by increasingly hostile nations. Israel won't exist in another decade, as their Muslim neighbours will use the genocide in Gaza as the excuse they have long wanted to flatten them. Edited to add that every child or innocent person killed is one too many.

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Here we go.

It’s not about the hostages- Israel doesn’t really want them back. Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit about the hostages.

November 2023 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and released over 100 hostages and were planning to release more but then Israel broke the ceasefire bombing again.

February of 2024, where Hamas agreed to release the hostages in phases but then Israel rejected this because they then called for a permanent ceasefire.

Then on April 2024, Hamas agreed to another deal that was just like Israel’s but Israel rejected and US officials even reported that they were intentionally stalling.

Israel finally accepted a deal in January 2025 which did call of all the hostages but then Israel launched surprise attacks and broke their own deal.

So it looks like to me, that even though Israel says it’s about the hostages thats not what this is about. To justify genocide and stay in power. Even the families themselves say that Israel is just using the hostages as a political tool to extend the war. Whether or not that means the rest of the hostages die.

As long as the hostages exist inside Gaza, Israel can justify even more violence and destruxtion. They’re actually incentivised not to bring their hostages back because then Netanyahu would lose power. Release the hostages is not a good faith argument, it’s a classic Israeli talking point to shift the blame to Palestinians and ignore the fact that Israel has had plenty of chances to get their hostages back without committing genocide.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 21:52

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 21:03

I think you have it backwards.

There are over 20k children dead. If it was one child per hour it would only be 16,790 dead. There are more dead children than is first implied by the headline (unless you read it and note the “more than” that I may have mentioned once or twice).

It has not been sensationalised. If anything it has been unsensationalised.

Exactly. They’ve rounded DOWN. It’s actually worse than reported- so no sensationalising at all.

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Didntask · 10/09/2025 21:48

Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 21:18

How should I really know, I'm in my living room in the middle of England. My cynical conspiracy theory is that they don't want to, hence using Gaza as a sacrifice to reclaim the land that Israel sits on.

They'll do sweet FA. They give no shits at all. And after Oct 7th, I very much doubt any of them will want to FAFO like Hamas did.

Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 21:18

Didntask · 10/09/2025 21:13

Why aren't the neighbours doing something about it now?

How should I really know, I'm in my living room in the middle of England. My cynical conspiracy theory is that they don't want to, hence using Gaza as a sacrifice to reclaim the land that Israel sits on.

Didntask · 10/09/2025 21:13

Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 21:09

We know that Hammas could have ended this by handing back the hostages. This is a complicated, 2000 year old war, and I think Gaza, being poor and of no value, is being used by the region as a sacrifice. Israel are over flexing out of fear, being surrounded by increasingly hostile nations. Israel won't exist in another decade, as their Muslim neighbours will use the genocide in Gaza as the excuse they have long wanted to flatten them. Edited to add that every child or innocent person killed is one too many.

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Why aren't the neighbours doing something about it now?

Kindatired · 10/09/2025 21:10

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Timeforaglassofwine · 10/09/2025 21:09

We know that Hammas could have ended this by handing back the hostages. This is a complicated, 2000 year old war, and I think Gaza, being poor and of no value, is being used by the region as a sacrifice. Israel are over flexing out of fear, being surrounded by increasingly hostile nations. Israel won't exist in another decade, as their Muslim neighbours will use the genocide in Gaza as the excuse they have long wanted to flatten them. Edited to add that every child or innocent person killed is one too many.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 21:04

Sensationalising the deaths, no matter what method used, is vulgar.

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 21:03

I think you have it backwards.

There are over 20k children dead. If it was one child per hour it would only be 16,790 dead. There are more dead children than is first implied by the headline (unless you read it and note the “more than” that I may have mentioned once or twice).

It has not been sensationalised. If anything it has been unsensationalised.

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 21:03

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:58

I do understand. 16.7 is 17% less than 20k (at their one child an hour).

I find it quite baffling that a statement pointing out that sensationalist headlines do the Palestinians no favours in the eyes of the people who think it’s all being sensationalised by others 😂

My entire point was literally that they should be careful not to sensationalise things because it pulls people away from the facts. Heaven forbid someone show empathy AND point out the way to get support is to be more careful about how you word things.

Bloody hell. Not hard to see why people don’t want to engage with this debate is there? If you even halfway point out there’s better ways to make a point you’re ripped to shreds.

It does not say one child an hour it says "at least" one child an hour and "on average"

You thought it was a gotcha . It wasn't . Your numbers are irrelevant in the context of this article.

And laughing emojis when speaking about an unthinkable death toll of children isn't cute or funny.

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:58

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:52

17% difference in what?

Do you not understand that the number of dead children is still the same , the time analogy was only used to illustrate it?

Quite frightening you think you have made a point here.

I do understand. 16.7 is 17% less than 20k (at their one child an hour).

I find it quite baffling that a statement pointing out that sensationalist headlines do the Palestinians no favours in the eyes of the people who think it’s all being sensationalised by others 😂

My entire point was literally that they should be careful not to sensationalise things because it pulls people away from the facts. Heaven forbid someone show empathy AND point out the way to get support is to be more careful about how you word things.

Bloody hell. Not hard to see why people don’t want to engage with this debate is there? If you even halfway point out there’s better ways to make a point you’re ripped to shreds.

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:56

User37482 · 10/09/2025 20:39

I think it doesn’t do any good to make stuff up. The truth is awful enough, every childs death is a tragedy, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli.

But I wouldn’t believe an organisation which put out so a blatant lie.

Where is the lie? The headline said (and I copied and pasted it so no need to deal with my terrible typing):-

GAZA: 20,000 CHILDREN KILLED IN 23 MONTHS OF WAR - MORE THAN ONE CHILD KILLED EVERY HOUR

So it says “more than one child killed every hour”.

The earlier poster who has done the sums reckons it is actually 1.17 children killed every hour. Which is more than one child killed every hour.

The headline could have said “child killed every 51 minutes” which would be more accurate and actually sounds so much worse to me - something about it being in minutes” but it isn’t wrong to say “more than one” when it is indeed more than one.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:54

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:45

Is it only children who have been caught in the crossfire?

70% of civilians killed have been women and children.

Calling it a ‘crossfire’ is an interesting choice of language, when unarmed civilians have been deliberately targeted: children shot by drones, tents bombed, and babies starved to death because of the blockade on baby formula.

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Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:52

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:49

That doesn’t stop it being a sensationalist headline. It’s a 17% difference which is a bloody huge amount.

17% difference in what?

Do you not understand that the number of dead children is still the same , the time analogy was only used to illustrate it?

Quite frightening you think you have made a point here.

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:49

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:49

Did you read the article or just get your calculator out for a gotcha

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

At least;not less than; at the minimum

That doesn’t stop it being a sensationalist headline. It’s a 17% difference which is a bloody huge amount.

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:49

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

And what could be done to stop it?

Fuck knows. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t note the fucking tragedy if it though.

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:49

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Did you read the article or just get your calculator out for a gotcha

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

At least;not less than; at the minimum

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:48

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As I mentioned once or twice before it says “more than”. 20k is more than 16.7k.

My mathematical skills have dulled greatly due to middle age but I am pretty sure of that.

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:43

It is incredibly sad that 38 children died.

But by the weekend there will be another 38 children killed by Israeli forces. And by this time next week another 38. And then another. And then another.

And each of those sets of 38 children matter equally.

And what could be done to stop it?

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

Hazelforever · 10/09/2025 20:41

Wow. Are people actually arguing over how many children have been killed and by who? And which ones matter more?! Even if it was one child that died it's too many. None of this should be happening at all.

Couldn't agree more. It's just the lack of responsibility/fingers in the ears about why this particular conflict started and who can end it that winds me up. That, alongside the fact that other Muslim;Muslim wars that have been going on for years NEVER seems to get most people in the feels quite like a war where Jews can possibly be blamed. Hmm

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:45

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:44

How so?

Is it only children who have been caught in the crossfire?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:44

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:43

No, but the broadcasting is.

How so?

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