Israel has killed one child every hour

They couldn't leave themselves entirely exposed to people who want to destroy them. Why is this so hard to understand? I dont think there was anything wrong with blockading to stop Hamas importing weapons. Nor do I think controlling Palestinians moving in and out is wrong - every country does it in some shape or form.

@SharonEllis you have been around long enough to know that Israel did not fully withdraw from Gaza and made life infinitely more difficult for the residents there through restrictions a system of permits, unlawful detentions and a.blockade on air and sea.

Does that justify violence and death? No.
but if there is to be any hope in moving forward there has to be an acknowledgement of the wrongs of both sides and the reasons why Israel are vulnerable were not simply idealogical but rooted as well in day to day hardships.

If Hamas didn’t insist on bringing in weapons to achieve their goal of destroying Israel, the embargoes would not be necessary.

This bears repeating. People seem to think Israel has done this for fun but this is the bottom line. Despite withdrawing from Gaza they could not be expected to leave themselves entirely vulnerable. But the Palestinian people could have made entirely diffetent choices.

Most countries don’t have an Iron Dome. I’m sure Israel wishes it didn’t need one.

Yes, I am serious. Hamas managed to build all those tunnels and amass wealth for themselves. It’s not Israel’s fault they did that instead of improving life for people in Gaza. If Hamas didn’t insist on bringing in weapons to achieve their goal of destroying Israel, the embargoes would not be necessary.

A quick look at Wikipedia tells me that Palestinians (so not just Gaza but including Gaza) received more than $40 billion in aid between 1994 and 2020. Hamas gets a share of $100 million annually from Iran, along with other Palestinian groups. Some aid is provided by the US and some facilitated by the US via Qatar. So they do get quite a lot of aid, as well as other income. And they could spend it making their citizens’ lives better. But they don’t.

Honestly are you serious? Gaza has had a sea embargo for decades, it has everything coming in and out of Gaza monitored - how are they going to build an iron dome when they can’t even import solar panels and who exactly will fund it. It doesn’t get billions and billions from the US like Israel? You can’t say it’s someone else's fault you killed thousands of children because “someone should have stopped us”. That is sociopathic.

The key point is collective punishment is wrong and Israel needs to stop.

Right, I don’t disagree with some of the things you said. I can also see you’ll pick and choose for what you want to say and are not here to see any sense. They won’t surrender because there is nothing in sight for the future. No state. No rights. There’s no hope. Just refugee camps, displacement, loss of identity and kind of grounding.

So, if it’s so simple, answer it yourself and let us all know.

Presenting these questions as some sort counter argument to the annihilation of 18,000 children is a nonsense.The IDF and Israeli government have killed those kids in the most sadistic way. They have literally flown in creeps from Chicago the operate sniper drones on kids, like a game of fucking GTA.
Killing little girls dragging gallons of water in to dismal shelters. Killing little children getting supplements and playing. Leaving babies alone to die in a seized hospital. Raping inmates with metal poles until they die.
We could go on and on and on.
Thats the death cult.

And then when they have enough of killing civilians, they use their earnings to chill out with a trip to Europe, Japan and Australia - that’s why we’ve seen those countries revoke the tourist visas to touring IDF.

It’s a simple question. What has Hamas, the government of Gaza, done to protect its people?

As to why they won’t surrender: because they are a death cult which glorifies martyrdom; because sacrificing innocents is crucial to their propaganda war; because their stated aim is to kill Jews and destroy Israel; because they want to keep their funding coming in; because they want to cling to power by any means necessary and every child in Gaza could be slaughtered in front of them and they wouldn’t lift a finger to stop it.

I think that Israel have made their point.

And Hamas should piss off.

No it isn’t.

This is gaslighting. You should know better. Its now been almost 2 years since 7 Oct and the Palestinians have been dehumanised, brutalised and anyone who tries to help them.

Its gone beyond everything, and all the people who come on and scream but hamas, remember it was your beloved Netanyahu who killed peace negotiators (who had agreed on peace), who bomb flotillas, and god knows what else.

The lowest is killing children and thats what Israel does best. How many need to die for Israel’s thirst for blood to be quenched??

You tell us the answers.

Especially interested in your last question. Why do you think they won’t surrender? What would they have to look forward to if they did?

None of your questions excuse what the IDF have done to Gazan civilians.

It’s not about having insight into Hamas, it’s a very simple question, what have they
DONE to protect their people?

We all know that the answer is that not only have they done nothing, they have endangered their people time and time again. It is part of their war strategy and very deliberate.

Why doesn’t Gaza have systems of alarms and shelters like Israeli citizens do?

Why don’t the Hamas military wear uniforms when they fight so that they can be clearly identified as combatants?

Why do the Hamas combatants fight in densely populated civilian areas?

Why, when civilians have been warned by the IDF to move from one area to another, have they been herded back into danger by Hamas?

Why doesn’t Hamas use its networks of tunnels to shelter civilians?

Why do they continue with a militarily uneven war that puts their people in a catastrophically perilous situation?

Why don’t they surrender?

I could go on.

It's inconvenient and a bit tedious for some I know but it is their fault. They hide among them and use civilians as shields.

Only a thread about the daily slaughter of children could be twisted by the “but hamas” crowd.

The Rest is Politics Leading podcast had a brilliant, if harrowing, interview with James Elder from UNICEF this week who shared so many horrific stories about what life is like for children in Gaza and the reality of trying to deliver aid in Gaza (spoiler: it's not Hamas' fault lifesaving aid can't be delivered to starving, dying children).

I know the "butHamas" lot have no time for the UN but these people know what it is like to work in difficult humanitarian situations and I trust their word much more than the Israeli state.

Highly reccommend, it is well worth listening to.

Israeli hostages have also said they witnessed rape and murder by Hamas. You know, people who according to you only join because they're traumatised, poor dears.

A mass slaughter of innocents would be my first thought .

Why do you ask?

They are both the problem. They are both dishonest and have both betrayed peace.
The Israeli Gov has said time and time again that giving back the hostages will not end the war. What about all of the Palestinians hostages which were told to call prisoners. Detained without trial. Many children. What about those hostages who have been held for years and years?

They’ve both shown themselves to be terrorists now. Hamas and the IDF.

There’s been multiple deals thrown out by Netanyahu and it’s just gotten worse since Trump came in. A far-right emboldened mess.

For anyone going spare on the maths:
I assume a child killed every hour and 20 minutes is an acceptable then, is it? What a bone pick. This thread had truly turned my stomach.

Why are you asking people on this thread like they have more insight into Hamas than you do?

Are you trying to frame that all of this violence is because of the lack of protection effort from Hamas? As over 18,000 children murdered in Gaza is a result of Hamas not having sufficiently shielding its citizens from the IDFs 2-tonne and incendiary bombs dropped on tarpaulin tents in highly populated areas? Drone sniper shooting toddlers playing? Purposely withdrawing life support for premeeies? Starving out special needs kids, and dismissing their deaths as a genetic disorder and slagging their parents off on national Israeli television. Perhap’s even Hamas had a higher opinion of the Israeli Government than they deserve and didn’t think they would be come so departed.
It’s utterly despicable.

Anyone who had a true love for Israel would not want this as their national conscience.

It is indeed tragic that civilians die in a warzone. We know that. As a pp said 'Hamas could have ended this by handing back the hostages'.

Hamas is the problem op as you should know by now. They use civilians as shields, they embed themselves in the community. They stockpile their guns and ammo in schools and hospitals.

Save the children's slogan is irrelevant. There have of course been deaths but why say 'one killed every hour'.

They should be saying 'hamas surrender to prevent more civilian deaths', but they won't.

By which I mean, obviously, how would you describe or characterise it?

What was Oct 7?