Israel has killed one child every hour

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. People here have repeatedly condemned the atrocities of October 7th. We all know Hamas committed horrific acts- but that does not justify the deaths of 20,000+ Palestinian children since then.

Raising the ongoing humanitarian crisis isn’t about excusing Hamas, it’s about holding all parties accountable to international law and basic human decency.

I'll be specific - what kicked off October 7th 2023?

Oo I dunno, that’s a complex question. Perhaps the 1967 Israeli occupation?

What kicked off the war depends on how you define ‘the war.’ The roots go back decades: the ongoing occupation, displacement, land confiscation, blockade of Gaza, repeated military operations, and restrictions on Palestinians’ basic rights. October 7th was a horrific attack, but it didn’t happen in a vacuum- it was part of a much longer cycle of oppression and violence.

I think we can all agree that nothing can justify the fact that 20,000 children have been killed since October 2023, possibly much more according to independent estimates.

Because the IDF are killing them, not Hamas, obviously

While I completely sympathise with the situation in Gaza , I feel very very sad for all the men , women & children who were killed and the hostages who were detained by the despicable Hamas in the initial attack in Israel .

I imagine there must be a reason why there are multiple private and public safe rooms (redesigned since 7/10) , iron shield missile defence system and now a laser guided drone defence system.

It’s very difficult to take Israel’s ‘security threats’ seriously when they are:
a nuclear power
armed to the teeth by America and much of Europe including us
frequently in flagrant breach of international law with no consequences and
bombing all of their neighbours with alarming regularity

It’s very difficult to take Israel’s ‘security threats’ seriously when they are:
a nuclear power
armed to the teeth by America and much of Europe including us
frequently in flagrant breach of international law with no consequences and
bombing all of their neighbours with alarming regularity

It’s very difficult to take Israel’s ‘security threats’ seriously when they are:
a nuclear power
armed to the teeth by America and much of Europe including us
frequently in flagrant breach of international law with no consequences and
bombing all of their neighbours with alarming regularity

Nonsense. You make out that the deals Hamas agreed to were reasonable. Israel had legitimate reasons to reject them. The problem is you dont take Israel's security concerns seriously so you think they should accept any deal.

Hours in a day = 24
Hours in a week = 168
Hours in a month = 730

Hours in 23 months = 16790.

So not a child every hour at 20,000 at all.

That puts their hours just over 3K out. Which actually makes it 19 months. Which is four months different - quite a lot. That's what...17% off their guess? That's quite a lot.

They can't even get their headline right which rather makes it hard to really trust anything they say. If you are going to make sensationalist headlines, aimed I am sure at generating public condemnation, you should try and get the facts right.

They'd be better off halting the sensationalist headlines and printing accurate facts as they might find people are more receptive to their pleas. Over-exaggerating does no one any favours.

I've only skim read the link, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of Hamas at all... why is that?

The Rest is Politics Leading podcast had a brilliant, if harrowing, interview with James Elder from UNICEF this week who shared so many horrific stories about what life is like for children in Gaza and the reality of trying to deliver aid in Gaza (spoiler: it's not Hamas' fault lifesaving aid can't be delivered to starving, dying children).

I know the "butHamas" lot have no time for the UN but these people know what it is like to work in difficult humanitarian situations and I trust their word much more than the Israeli state.

Highly reccommend, it is well worth listening to.

Is this what they call ‘saying the quiet part out loud’?

Palestinians would have made entirely different choices if they were left on their land and in their homes INSTEAD of creating Israel.

If Hamas didn’t insist on bringing in weapons to achieve their goal of destroying Israel, the embargoes would not be necessary.

This bears repeating. People seem to think Israel has done this for fun but this is the bottom line. Despite withdrawing from Gaza they could not be expected to leave themselves entirely vulnerable. But the Palestinian people could have made entirely diffetent choices.

They couldn't leave themselves entirely exposed to people who want to destroy them. Why is this so hard to understand? I dont think there was anything wrong with blockading to stop Hamas importing weapons. Nor do I think controlling Palestinians moving in and out is wrong - every country does it in some shape or form.