Israel has killed one child every hour

Ok in agreement there.

Yes, I think they have gone too far. See what I did there?

“November 2023 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and released over 100 hostages and were planning to release more but then Israel broke the ceasefire bombing again.”

More Gazan prisoners were released by Israel than Israeli hostages as part of that exchange, and Hamas broke the ceasefire, and Hamas also refused to allow the Red Cross to attend to the remaining hostages.

Yes

Let’s take a time machine back to the Balfour agreement then. If the first nakba hadn’t happened then we wouldn’t be here now. Problem solved.

Here we go.

It’s not about the hostages- Israel doesn’t really want them back. Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit about the hostages.

November 2023 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and released over 100 hostages and were planning to release more but then Israel broke the ceasefire bombing again.

February of 2024, where Hamas agreed to release the hostages in phases but then Israel rejected this because they then called for a permanent ceasefire.

Then on April 2024, Hamas agreed to another deal that was just like Israel’s but Israel rejected and US officials even reported that they were intentionally stalling.

Israel finally accepted a deal in January 2025 which did call of all the hostages but then Israel launched surprise attacks and broke their own deal.

So it looks like to me, that even though Israel says it’s about the hostages thats not what this is about. To justify genocide and stay in power. Even the families themselves say that Israel is just using the hostages as a political tool to extend the war. Whether or not that means the rest of the hostages die.

As long as the hostages exist inside Gaza, Israel can justify even more violence and destruxtion. They’re actually incentivised not to bring their hostages back because then Netanyahu would lose power. Release the hostages is not a good faith argument, it’s a classic Israeli talking point to shift the blame to Palestinians and ignore the fact that Israel has had plenty of chances to get their hostages back without committing genocide.

What was the question? Do I think the Israelis have gone too far?

But we are because if the killing of babies and raping of women hadn't happened on oct 7th, we wouldn't be discussing this now. How can you be so brazenly obtuse about it?

No answer to the question so.. fair enough. If you can't answer it's grand it's a hard one.

Been heart broken over what’s been happening for over two years now, flabbergasted by how many are happy to turn a blind eye and play the ‘But what about HAMAS’ card.

HAMAS carried out the biggest FAFO ever - at the expense of innocent Palestinians. HAMAS leaders dont give a shit about them either. So why should Israelis? Why do you refuse to acknowledge HAMAS's part in all of this?

But we aren’t discussing that. We are discussing the children that have been slaughtered since then.

When is enough enough? When Gaza is rubble? Its already rubble. When all the Palestinians are dead? When the greater Israel is created?

I asked you first.

You tell me.

Be specific.

But raping then parading women, kidnapping and killing babies is ok? Tell me, what response from Israel to Oct 7th would've been acceptable to you?

Because as people say on other threads, this isn’t about them.

Collective punishment is wrong.
Expecting hospital to evacuate is wrong.
Taking drs is wrong.
Killing journalists is wrong.
collecting men, stripping them, blindfolding them and marching them off is wrong.
Controlling water is wrong.
Snipers shooting little kids carrying water is wrong.
Shooting disabled people is wrong.
Creating a whole generation of disabled children who were born able bodied is wrong.

And doing this for nearly 2 whole years, that isn’t getting hostages back, it isn’t getting justice for people, that’s the actions of a blood thirsty dictator.

You tell me - what retaliation specific to Oct 7th would you have been satisfied with? How much retaliation would you be agreeable to? Be specific.

A mention for what??
I already said in my last post it wasn't justified.

Do you think Israel have gone too far in their retaliation?

So, Hamas kidnapping and killing babies, targeting innocent youths at a festival, raping then parading women doesn't get a mention? Why not?

So, Hamas kidnapping and killing babies, targeting innocent youths at a festival, raping then parading women doesn't get a mention? Why not?

‘Clutch my pearls’ 🙄

The moment they dropped an airstrike on a populated area knowing that civilians would be killed they had went too far. Or the first aid truck that was blocked knowing it was needed to feed innocent children.

Just like every time Hamas send a rocket over that could hurt or kill an Israeli citizen or steal aid that could feed a Palestinian.

There is never a justified number of civilian deaths for any political cause.

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How much attack would be justified though? How much could Israel retaliate before you think they'd gone too far? What is a justified number?