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MummytoE · 21/09/2025 20:48

BelleHathor · 21/09/2025 20:37

There's some very sophisticated propaganda that has been produced to manufacture consent for the destruction of Gaza, that is being spread.

During his press conference with Starmer a couple of days ago Trump mentioned seeing video/image of a 4 month old cut up on October 7th, wholly untrue.

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What hope can we have when ( unfortunately) one of the most influencial men in the world falls for it and regurgitates it

BelleHathor · 21/09/2025 20:37

MummytoE · 21/09/2025 20:30

No we absolutely have not all seen these videos. What a strange post

There's some very sophisticated propaganda that has been produced to manufacture consent for the destruction of Gaza, that is being spread.

During his press conference with Starmer a couple of days ago Trump mentioned seeing video/image of a 4 month old cut up on October 7th, wholly untrue.

MummytoE · 21/09/2025 20:35

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 20:30

We’ve read everything now.

The pro genocide crew are very creative I'll say that

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 20:30

MummytoE · 21/09/2025 20:30

No we absolutely have not all seen these videos. What a strange post

We’ve read everything now.

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MummytoE · 21/09/2025 20:30

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:06

We've all seen the videos and pictures of children in Gaza with automatic weapons. How many of these 'victims' were shooting at Israeli soldiers?

No we absolutely have not all seen these videos. What a strange post

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 20:21

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:06

We've all seen the videos and pictures of children in Gaza with automatic weapons. How many of these 'victims' were shooting at Israeli soldiers?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/5383956-one-child-a-day-remembering-gazas-children?page=7

Take a look at this thread and tell me which children were killed because they had automatic weapons.

or this:
https://www.thedailyfile.org/forcibly-involved

Forcibly Invovled | The Daily File

This is the concentrated report of the numerical data in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, showing the number of fatalities, wounded, arrested, displaced persons, demolitions, clashes with the Israeli army and police, Palestinian resistance actions, coloni...

https://www.thedailyfile.org/forcibly-involved

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Thedogscollar · 21/09/2025 17:46

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 23:47

dear god this has to be one of the most disgusting and depressing threads I have ever read. How can anyone’s first reaction to that headline be I must get my calculator out??? To accuse the paper of sensationalising by in some way trying to bring home the scale of the slaughter because 20,000 children is a horrifying number to try and get your head around. To use such jibes and emojis when discussing this topic. The lack of respect shown for the children and the scale of this horror!! Jesus some posters are just horrible human beings
i agree with the World Health Organization's Deputy Director General, today he said he is almost "entirely disillusioned with the world"

He also stated unequivocally that starvation is being used as a weapon of war by Israel

Absolutely agree 100%.
Never have I read such a callous thread.
You are right with your description of depravity. No other word for it.
What happened to "Never again" ?

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 16:15

Everexpanding · 21/09/2025 15:57

It has been recorded on video also such as the rape of the prisoner in Sde Teiman so the evidence is there.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:33

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 15:28

Did you see the updates on Dr Hussam Abu Safiya and his conditions on his detention without trial. Absolutely shocking.
www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/gaza-hospital-director-hussam-abu-safiya-abandoned-to-disease-hunger-in-israeli-jail-lawyer-says/3691858

When has a solicitor ever said their client is being treated well in jail? And especially so in this case. Why do you think a Palestinian lawyer is a reliable source of information? They have every reason not to tell the truth. Their country started a war with Israel.

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 15:28

Everexpanding · 21/09/2025 15:15

Yes the Red Cross should definitely have access when there are multiple reports of torture and regular detention without trial

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno.amp

www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

Did you see the updates on Dr Hussam Abu Safiya and his conditions on his detention without trial. Absolutely shocking.
www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/gaza-hospital-director-hussam-abu-safiya-abandoned-to-disease-hunger-in-israeli-jail-lawyer-says/3691858

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:23

Everexpanding · 21/09/2025 15:15

Yes the Red Cross should definitely have access when there are multiple reports of torture and regular detention without trial

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno.amp

www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

I'll ask again. How much is the Red Cross involved in UK jails?Detention without trial in the UK

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:21

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:20

Everexpanding · 21/09/2025 15:12

The two year olds? The three year olds? What age children are you talking about

What age children is that report talking about? Does it differentiate between children and child soldiers?

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 15:20

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:06

We've all seen the videos and pictures of children in Gaza with automatic weapons. How many of these 'victims' were shooting at Israeli soldiers?

Have we?

I have seen a video of a child using a piece of piping as a prosthetic leg but none with children and automatic weapons.

Tends to be stones children are locked up for attacking IDF soldiers with.

Everexpanding · 21/09/2025 15:12

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:06

We've all seen the videos and pictures of children in Gaza with automatic weapons. How many of these 'victims' were shooting at Israeli soldiers?

The two year olds? The three year olds? What age children are you talking about

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:08

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 22:42

Israel have repeatedly also refused to let the red cross see any of the Palestinian prisoners held in Israel too, so it’s a bit of a tit for tat point really.

Why would they? Do the Red Cross routinely check on prisoners? How much involvement does the Red Cross have in British or French prisons, for example?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 21/09/2025 15:06

We've all seen the videos and pictures of children in Gaza with automatic weapons. How many of these 'victims' were shooting at Israeli soldiers?

SisterTeatime · 21/09/2025 14:57

I have read the questions and I was surprised by your airy reponse.

What do I think about real estate deals? I’m not sure I understand exactly what you’re asking, can you be more specific please?

Martymcfly24 · 21/09/2025 14:31

SisterTeatime · 21/09/2025 14:09

That’s quite an airy response to make about a nihilistic terrorist entity! What do you think the chances are that they will do so? If two years of war, with catastrophic consequences for the people and infrastructure of Gaza, long negotiations, the death of many of their leaders, plus a body blow to their Hezbollah pals, hasn’t achieved it? And apologies to those who find it boring when posters mention Hamas having a role in the suffering in this war, but why do you think they did start this war, which was sure to result in such appalling consequences for civilians in Gaza? What do you think they hoped to achieve?

I think you'll find if you read the thread of questions my response was to the question what could Hamas do?

Should they do it? Absolutely
Chances of them doing it are probably not very high when they are negotiating with someone who changes the goalposts constantly, murders people who are discussing the negotiations, sabotages deals and breaks ceasefires in a violent bloody way.

But as I said all quite irrelevant because the bigger plan is out there of real estate deals, What do you think about that?

SisterTeatime · 21/09/2025 14:09

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 23:59

Disarm and disband will hopefully stop the conflict.

Won't stop the big plan going ahead though. (Ethnic cleansing/Gaza Riviera etc)

That’s quite an airy response to make about a nihilistic terrorist entity! What do you think the chances are that they will do so? If two years of war, with catastrophic consequences for the people and infrastructure of Gaza, long negotiations, the death of many of their leaders, plus a body blow to their Hezbollah pals, hasn’t achieved it? And apologies to those who find it boring when posters mention Hamas having a role in the suffering in this war, but why do you think they did start this war, which was sure to result in such appalling consequences for civilians in Gaza? What do you think they hoped to achieve?

TakeMe2Insanity · 21/09/2025 09:48

Didntask · 20/09/2025 22:40

So Oct 7th was in response to the Nakba? Seriously?

No you are denying what has happened prior to 7th October.

Thegreyhound · 21/09/2025 08:52

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Clutching your pearls is what people do when someone makes a minor social faux pas
Using the term to discuss both Oct 7 and the Israeli response suggest you are looking at this through a strange lens

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 23:59

Didntask · 20/09/2025 23:12

Excellent. Now, what do you think HAMAS could do to help stop the conflict?

Disarm and disband will hopefully stop the conflict.

Won't stop the big plan going ahead though. (Ethnic cleansing/Gaza Riviera etc)

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