More dead terrorists - nowhere to hide

A neutral state such as whom? How do you stop Israel and Palestine from being majority Jewish and Muslim respectively? and do you think the people there will take kiidly to their government's being overthrown by a foreign country's?

It seems like a terrible decision for Israel to take. Who would ever want to enter into peace negotiations with them in the future?

Is any country able to bomb another sovereign territory anywhere on the basis that terrorists are there?

This is exactly what I just posted about. It does appear negotiations are repeatedly Sabotaged.

Scott Ritter is a shill/mouthpiece for the Russians who frequently appears in Russian propaganda. He's also a convicted pedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

I hope Netanyahu is tried for war crimes asap. He’s no better than Hitler and Putin!

I'm not believing anything about whether the Hamas leaders targeted are actually dead or alive until I see proof that they are alive (if they are).

No proof that they are alive in the coming months means they can probably be assumed to be dead (or Hamas may acknowledge them as "martyrs" as they did with Sinwar months after he was killed).

Thank you for linking this. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but it seems highly likely, based on common sense, that the US green lighted this attack and may have been involved in the planning too.

I'm shocked that Israel (and possibly the US) have chosen to violate IL and attach a neutral ME country (being termed a US ally in the press). They have apparently murdered innocent civilians in the process. Anyone who thinks that that this will be the end of the violence or that they can eliminate Hamas in this way is very naive.
I'm not sure why you would fully believe the reports of either side in a war.

You are trusting Hamas to be telling the truth about that?

They are claiming it was a failure whereas Israel are said to be "increasingly optimistic” about the results of the strike. They point out that "Hamas offered no immediate proof that its top leaders had survived" and "has been known in the past to only confirm the death of its leaders weeks or months after the fact".

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-strikes-hamas-chiefs-in-qatar-terror-group-insists-senior-leaders-unharmed/

Not when it comes to Hamas in Gaza. Where Israel has reduced itself to war crimes and genocide in order to get rid.

You are right that the criminals in this war cannot hide from justice. I grew up in a time of Nazi hunters. I've seen war criminals from Europe and Africa caught, tried and punished in the Hague.

Forever is a long time. A long time to live with trauma of war. A long time to live with your conscience. A long time to live, looking over your shoulder.

I think the same can be said for Israel. It's such a disaster and horrific how the people suffer as a result of suc the awful leadership

Does anyone actually think that Hamas want a peace deal anyway. Why not release the hostages and say there you go we truly want peace. They just want power to continue for them and the leaders have made millions from running Gaza into the ground and denying their own people a proper future with peace.

This is a very interesting analysis and watch -

https://www.youtube.com/live/ebxiK2TT3bk

Scott Ritter is a former US military intelligence officer and former UN weapons inspector.
He sets out how US must have green-lighted the Israeli strike on Hamas in Qatar.

Implications for any future negotiations and also for major global players trust of US in future appear stark.

I don't believe that US would have asked Qatar to host Hamas Leadership without Israel's tacit acceptance.

When have the US gone against the wishes of Israel?

They worked with the US on basing the political leadership in Qatar. They weren’t harbouring them like Pakistan was harbouring OBL. It was all part of diplomacy attempts.

The additional deaths in Pakistan are very sad. Whilst it is fortunate that more civilians weren’t apparently killed in Qatar, they couldn’t control that situation. I would say they were lucky they potentially only killed on civilian. BUT one is enough to escalate this whole situation.

They have earned a rare rebuke by Trump too.

So it doesn't look like they have killed anyone from the Hamas leadership. They have killed diplomacy with Qatar. Stupid idiots, what an incompetent government.

Again what’s the big difference @PinkBobby ?

The US & Pakistan did not have a trust based relationship hence the US did not ask for their co-operation.

Neither do Israel & Qatar have a trust based relationship with. If they did Israel could just ask them to expel the Hamas leaders living there.

The US also used significant force in targeting Bin Laden and more innocent civilians were killed (children) than the incident in which Israel targeted the Hamas leaders in Doha.

One civilian was killed ‘luckily’. But that’s more than enough for Qatar to rightly kick up a fuss and ignite more anger in the region. You can’t just bomb the capital of another country and not accept that it’s an escalation.

Qatar ‘harbours’ terrorists because the Americans asked them to. They thought it would help negotiations/lasting peace being set up. Obviously not how things turned out but if you want to blame
Qatar, blame America too for assisting inhabiting terrorists in Qatar. And Israel - BN agreed in 2018 to allow Qatar to give money to Gaza.

Sorry - I wasn’t suggesting the US was working with Pakistan or that it wasn’t an extremely risky operation. My point is that no relationships were threatened by that move (apart from Pakistan being annoyed but they already hated the US). On the other hand, Israel has escalated the conflict by involving Qatar (which then brings in other ME countries) and involving Trump which means the US now needs to figure out where it stands (including with Qatar where they have a huge air base and export contract worth billions. It is a move that destabilises the region further.

Re the damage done, my point is that bombing is destructive. Look at the image - how targeted is that explosion? How could they control who was outside at the time or inside in the different rooms. They made a choice to use significant force to take these people out (allegedly) and were happy to risk innocent lives AND their relationship with other ME countries.

It seems you see this as the price that needs to be paid for destroying Hamas but I do not. I’m not saying that those members of Hamas weren’t worth targeting, but bombing another country’s capital is only an escalation of this war and I fear it’ll cause a ripple effect that ultimately means more pain for Israeli people.

How many civilians were killed? None I believe. So this attack was as precise as Bin Laden's.

This is a good thing you know, showing terrorists even hiding in rich Qatar isn't safe.

The question is why does Qatar harbour terrorists.

And if you watch the documentary it explains that Pakistan would definitely have viewed the US using their airspace without permission as a hostile move and shot them down if the US hadn’t taken steps to fly in undetected. It was a risky operation that could easily have killed the US operatives involved.

They couldn’t ask permission as didn’t trust Pakistan not to tip off Bin Laden.

I disagree the differences are that wide.

Osama Bin Laden was in a compound yes, but he was living with wives, children, other family members and staff. There were many people killed in the compound that day including children, not just him.

The Israel attack in Doha was targeted & “only” killed 6 people. Even Hamas admit that 5 were Hamas members, they just aren’t admitting currently that any of the people killed were Hamas leaders. Then again they have only admitted recently that Simwar is dead and the IDF killed him months ago.

To me, the difference is that OBL was in a compound in the middle of nowhere. They went in covertly and killed him with guns. Did Pakistan know he was there: obviously. They were allowing him to hide out and were in no ways allies. There were also no hostages relying on some sort of ceasefire to survive.

On the other hand, Israel bombed a building in a capital city of Qatar - again, how much concern can you have more civilian casualties with that approach? Yes, Hamas were there and are terrorists but they had been invited there by the US and Qatar asked to help mediate negotiations. They, in essence, double crossed Qatar who now have to work out what to do about this attack and any potential civilians killed. The US have to decide whether to potentially lose their relationship with Qatar (worth billions) and admit they lured Hamas there to kill them OR say they don’t support bombing negotiation talks. The hostages have no probably lost any chance of a ceasefire release. And the worst thing - terrorists just replace each other. Even if all of those people are wiped out, there’ll be someone else to fill in.

So I don’t think the comparisons are fair here. This is a provocative move in a deeply unstable region. I’m not saying Qatar were some neutral party overall but they were working to a certain degree with the US and Israel. The region will not respond well to a bombing in a capital city regardless of the reason. As I’ve said, if London were hosting negotiation talks, would you be okay with us being bombed? This sets another terrible precedent and I fear for what come next for so many people - first and foremost the hostages, then the region’s already precarious stability and finally anyone who hosts negotiation talks/‘enemies’ in a war.

I understand you think this is Israel bashing but surely you can see that this is a much more inflammatory move than what the US in Pakistan?

I think the message that has been sent out for a long time is that Trump isn't a man of his word. A promise of 'security' means nothing when the person making the promise is openly untrustworthy. They want peace no more than Hamas want peace and they aren't shy about showing it.