Hamas discussing US 'ideas' for Gaza ceasefire after Trump's 'last warning'

If Northern Ireland were under Eire then the Irish who hated the British wouldn't imo continue to bomb places in England.
I’d say the loyalist (British) terrorists in NI would be a mite upset though…

Also just to add on that. Other armed spin off groups/violent incidents did form in NI. The Omagh bombing happened just after the agreement was signed. The Holy Cross school situation happened in the 2000’s.

But the GFA got the majority on to the same page, committing to a political rather than violent solution and this is what takes away the power of those who remain committed to violence.

If you are interested in finding a peaceful political solution for Palestine/Israel then there are lots of lessons in the GFA. About power sharing - even when imperfect. About how the participation of the communities involved is critical, how reconciliation was built in, how international support is key.

Reducing it to a won/lost argument is the simplistic approach.

This isn’t a very well written article. Does it even mention loyalist groups? It insists that l Britain “won” and the “Ira” lost (this is quite a recent viewpoint I’ve seen pushed in right wing sources. Only in the last 10 years.) but that spectacularly misses the point and forgets that some of those in the IRA rose to power later (politically) Everyone made massive concessions and everyone won something too. But it misses that peace wasn’t gained between the IRA and the British government. It was between two divided communities in Ni - which wasn’t/isn’t easy and didn’t happen instantly. That was very important, as otherwise other armed groups would have formed, more so than they did. It also misses that it’s key reason for success was that It offered a peaceful political path to a united Ireland. Nobody gave up on a united ireland - it became a political fight rather than a violent fight.

But clearly, the situations are very different. I don’t think I have read anything saying the situations are the same. They share some features and there are lessons from the peace process that could have been passed on if there were different parties involved. There isn’t even one voice for peace in this now.

The Tower magazine is hardly an unbiased source...
Contrary opinions concerning similarities between Gaza and Ireland are available.

artsci.usu.edu/social-sciences/political-science/international-studies/aggies-go/news/ireland_palestine_shared_history

Son of Hamas is worth reading to see how different they think to people in the west.

Yes, the insight into Hamas et al, as terrorists, is frightening. A whole breed apart from NI troubles. Son of Hamas explains it well.

It was spread a lot on various media sites and many people looking for simplistic solutions use it. Just sit and negotiate with Hamas and bingo peace for all. Black and white simple to understand and regurgitate. Hamas are a different breed. They don't give a shit about the children, the wives they are all expendables to wipe Israel out. The ideology is nothing like the struggle in Ireland.

I don't know why on earth that comparison is still made.

Anyway, "how easy if the fairy tale were true. But like all fairy tales, it isn’t. In fact, drawing an analogy between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Middle East is not simply unjustified; it is an error of the grossest kind. And it directly threatens Israel’s well-being by justifying demands for Israeli concessions to an enemy that is very different—and, yes, far worse—than the enemy Britain faced in Northern Ireland."

Why compare apples and oranges

Anyway, "how easy if the fairy tale were true. But like all fairy tales, it isn’t. In fact, drawing an analogy between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Middle East is not simply unjustified; it is an error of the grossest kind. And it directly threatens Israel’s well-being by justifying demands for Israeli concessions to an enemy that is very different—and, yes, far worse—than the enemy Britain faced in Northern Ireland."

Why compare apples and oranges

Interesting article looks at the fairytale and simplistic thinking assuming this conflict could be solved like Northern Ireland.

"On the False Parallel Between Gaza and Northern Ireland"

Here

http://www.thetower.org/article/on-the-false-parallel-between-gaza-and-northern-ireland/

This is what I don’t understand.. there will always be a son, nephew, grandson.. I can’t see how it’s possible to end this.

I’ve never heard any condemnation of the atomic bombs

You haven't been listening then.

But I didn't expect anything other than more warmongering here. And didn't get it. The lessons of the past are unlearned. Such is the human state. Fight on until you are all dead, and take everyone else with you. There is nothing to be gained in arguing against war when it is seen to be the answer.

Indeed. Both of those countries are now in extended periods of peace time.

I disagree with you, you disagree with me. That's ok.

I've spent time in Germany. I intend to visit Japan, several friends recommended after their travels. I will visit the memorials and understand why they wish no one to hold nuclear weapons. I cannot imagine that will be achieved in the near future. I'm pleased both countries have peace after great losses in wartime.

I've also visited Ireland and visited many sites of injustice in the past. The Good Friday agreement was indeed ground breaking.

We all live with the consequences of hatred continuing. We all benefit from peace.

We'll never know, as the UK or America admitting involvement would be admitting to violating International Law. The IDF could have launched long range missiles

There would be no need to get aircraft in the air as they were not at harm as Qatar is on the American empire side of the ledger, some may say to the point of complicity.

The Qatari foreign secretary told Tucker Carlson in an interview the Hamas office in Doha was only opened after the Obama administration specifically requested that Qatar do so and with full American cooperation and co-ordination.

Obviously someone knew as the Hamas leaders were able to vacate.

The Israelis have long, long memories. They will continue until every member of Hamas is dead. It will take many years. There will be no forgiveness.

@SirHumphreyRocks ’The world has never forgiven the US for testing its bombs on real people. Japan was a feudal society already crushed - the bombs hastened the end, but it would have come within months anyway.’

I’ve never heard any condemnation of the atomic bombs. Certainly ‘the world has never forgiven’ is stretching it.
The war was shortened, and thousands of American soldiers lives were saved. The Allies were applauded for their actions. Rightly so.

You aren't listening. I didn't think you would. You want peace on your terms. Peace at the end of a bomb. Naive views of world politics are cute. You clearly haven't spent any time in Japan. Or Germany. But ignore the lessons of Ireland at THEIR peril. I don't have to live with it. But neither do you.