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Bus shooting in Jerusalem

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allusernamesaretakennow · 08/09/2025 10:58

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4ge24r66r7t

My apologies a deadly shooting attack, not a bus attack as terrorists have used over the years against Israel

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Netanyahu visits site of deadly Jerusalem shooting attack that kills five - latest

At least five people have been killed and seven seriously wounded in a shooting attack in Jerusalem, paramedics and police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4ge24r66r7t

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Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 22:18

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 08/09/2025 22:16

So many disgusting comments on this thread. If anything similar were said on the pro-Palestinian side, there would be absolute outrage and hand-wringing from several users.

Yawn.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 08/09/2025 22:16

IGaveSoManySigns · 08/09/2025 22:13

What a disgusting comment.

So many disgusting comments on this thread. If anything similar were said on the pro-Palestinian side, there would be absolute outrage and hand-wringing from several users.

Mikkymik · 08/09/2025 22:15

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What a disgusting comment.

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KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 22:09

Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 22:01

And yet people of different religions are still free to practise their religion openly and live considerably more "side by side" in Israel than in the Palestinian territories and most of the Middle East.

Interestingly a relative of mine saw people spitting in the face of christian worshippers in Jerusalem as they came out of a religious site - that does not sound inclusive. Spitting at worshippers from other religions has also been reported in various documentaries. It is a two tier society, other religions are tolerated but not equal the way they are in the UK.

In the West Bank the settlers are also not just terrorising and stealing from muslims but also christians, they want all other religions gone from the region. Just listen to that nutter Daniella Weiss. I have personally never seen anyone spat at for their religious beliefs and I have visited a lot of different countries with different religious beliefs.

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 22:01

Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 22:01

And yet people of different religions are still free to practise their religion openly and live considerably more "side by side" in Israel than in the Palestinian territories and most of the Middle East.

👏 👏

KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 22:01

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 21:53

Palestine (as we know it) wasn’t around before 1948.

What are “all religions” living side by side like a 80s Coke advert? Pretty sure the local Jewish population wasn’t treated quite as equally as the Arab population in those heady pre-48 days.

If Zionists only want one group of people in the lands, how do you explain the millions of non-Jewish Israelis? Or do you literally mean “Zionists” in which case I agree with you and didn’t think tou’d be a Zionist!

Watch the Tantura documentary on Prime, in it early settlers talk about how they initially lived happily alongside the Palestinians, some even stayed in the Palestinians houses. That all changed when the soldiers came and seized the land. There have been multiple accounts from people about how they lived as neighbours until the Palestinians started to be forcibly displaced and the fighting started. The documentary also interviews Israeli soldiers who admit to executing innocent Palestinians and burying them in a mass grave. It is Israeli’s testifying to this.

Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 22:01

KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 21:45

History shows that it is Israel who have been forcibly displacing and murdering non jewish people in the region since 1948. Before the establishment of Israel people of all religions lived side by side in Palestine. Zionists are the ones who think the land should only belong to one group and have used violence to achieve that aim.

And yet people of different religions are still free to practise their religion openly and live considerably more "side by side" in Israel than in the Palestinian territories and most of the Middle East.

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 21:58

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 21:53

Palestine (as we know it) wasn’t around before 1948.

What are “all religions” living side by side like a 80s Coke advert? Pretty sure the local Jewish population wasn’t treated quite as equally as the Arab population in those heady pre-48 days.

If Zionists only want one group of people in the lands, how do you explain the millions of non-Jewish Israelis? Or do you literally mean “Zionists” in which case I agree with you and didn’t think tou’d be a Zionist!

This is the pattern, with those who jumped on the moral pro Pal crusade. I've said before, if they can't or won't grasp the evolution of the region, it's pointless trying to reason with them. According to most, history is irrelevant, unless it depicts displacement/illegal settlements/zionist thirst for blood etc.

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 21:55

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 21:53

Yes, because Jewish people were positively welcomed pre 1948 🙄do you even know the history before your selective era?

It’s quite something isn’t it?!

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 21:53

KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 21:45

History shows that it is Israel who have been forcibly displacing and murdering non jewish people in the region since 1948. Before the establishment of Israel people of all religions lived side by side in Palestine. Zionists are the ones who think the land should only belong to one group and have used violence to achieve that aim.

Palestine (as we know it) wasn’t around before 1948.

What are “all religions” living side by side like a 80s Coke advert? Pretty sure the local Jewish population wasn’t treated quite as equally as the Arab population in those heady pre-48 days.

If Zionists only want one group of people in the lands, how do you explain the millions of non-Jewish Israelis? Or do you literally mean “Zionists” in which case I agree with you and didn’t think tou’d be a Zionist!

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 21:53

KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 21:45

History shows that it is Israel who have been forcibly displacing and murdering non jewish people in the region since 1948. Before the establishment of Israel people of all religions lived side by side in Palestine. Zionists are the ones who think the land should only belong to one group and have used violence to achieve that aim.

Yes, because Jewish people were positively welcomed pre 1948 🙄do you even know the history before your selective era?

KoalaKoKo · 08/09/2025 21:45

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 21:00

That fundamental ideology is conveniently overlooked.

History shows that it is Israel who have been forcibly displacing and murdering non jewish people in the region since 1948. Before the establishment of Israel people of all religions lived side by side in Palestine. Zionists are the ones who think the land should only belong to one group and have used violence to achieve that aim.

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 21:00

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:54

This 100%. I’m not sure why people don’t realise being “pro Palestine” means no peace until Israel and all the people living there are destroyed

That fundamental ideology is conveniently overlooked.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:54

allusernamesaretakennow · 08/09/2025 13:56

Im on the pro peace side. Too much hatred and division.

A new start when Hamas have gone and the hostages released and conflict ended is important. Many need deradicalisation. Both 'sides' have innocent people who want a future gor their children. Sadly, Hamas just want to destroy Israel. I hope peace can be achieved.

This 100%. I’m not sure why people don’t realise being “pro Palestine” means no peace until Israel and all the people living there are destroyed

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 20:53

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The flotilla 'expedition' IS a game.

hellohellooo · 08/09/2025 20:47

Beachtastic · 08/09/2025 14:20

I bet a few people are wanking over that on the "flotilla" 😒

What a vile statement

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Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 20:30

In fact, the only mocking of people being killed I've seen was someone who thought Well perhaps they thought the civilians on the bus might be shielding a soldier or government sympathiser ? was a clever thing to say about six Israeli civilians being shot to death on a bus.

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 20:22

SharonEllis · 08/09/2025 20:17

Agree with all of this.

So do I. Excellent, insightful post @lolapusht

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 20:21

Just as I don’t have to reply to your comments, you don’t’ have to get involved in either threads you don’t like or with “the same few posters”.

It really doesn’t happen.

I do see people calling out anti-Semitism because it’s anti-Semitism not just for funsies. The hostages are generally mentioned as they are an integral part of this war. They were taken on the day it started and their release could secure the end of this current bout. I have’t seen anyone mocking any deaths. Well, apart from people effectively saying today’s victims deserved it because it’s war (the war is in a completely different area and against a different enemy but details, details).

Gaimbin · 08/09/2025 20:18

childofthe607080s · 08/09/2025 20:16

It does

Nope.

SharonEllis · 08/09/2025 20:17

Lolapusht · 08/09/2025 20:14

If ever there was an issue where whataboutery was necessary, it’s this one.

Those who say it didn’t start on 7 Oct are absolutely right, but not for the reasons they think. Peoples’ reactions on this board are a microcosm for how people feel about this conflict. Two sides who think they’re right with a smattering of people in the middle.

Now, take your polarised viewpoints and move that to an area where the people on the other side are really close to you and are armed and willing to kill you. You going to be open to having a dialogue? Willing to sit down and trust the people who have been killing you for generations?

Every time something happens there’s an opposite event that can be blamed for causing the most recent happening. Keep a population under strident security measures with no free movement and terror attacks are going to happen (don’t agree with that, but bear with…). Why are there strident security restrictions? Because there are terror attacks. Why are there terror attacks? Get how it works? Go back to the 2nd Intifada…the 1st Intifada…1967…1948…1917…200 years…300 years. Each event is a reaction to something else and all of it is simultaneously relevant and irrelevant to what is happening today.

I was stunned to see someone on another board basically say that Hamas is SO awful they can’t be dealt with so Israel is solely capable of and responsible for being the “grown up”. Hamas is so badly behaved they get a free pass. They are very likely to stay in power for years to come. They’re embedded in the WB and given their prior history of brutal coups on their political opponents, it’s entirely possible they take over all of Palestine. How happy will some people be if that happens? And Israel will be admonished for trying to eradicate them and blamed for their existence because of historical military retaliation to insurgent attacks. If Israel is responsible for continuing generations of Gazans hating Jews and wanting them dead, then Hamas is responsible for increased Israeli military action. I just don’t understand why people want a nation to take no action against attacks on their country. Not even arresting the perpetrators or locking them up, just keeping a cool head and another call for peace.

It looks like Hamas has refused Trump’s latest ceasefire deal. They’ve just gone against a narc so they will now have to deal with his Narc Rage. If Hamas had agreed to the deal, then chances are they would have had a hobbled Israel to deal with as Trump would probably have exerted influence on them to contain their military campaign. Now, he’ll probably give them whatever they want. I disagree with the practicalities of getting back the hostages and destroying Hamas as doing both was never possible, but Hamas is holding out to be in the same position they were in on 6 Oct. They want the IDF out of Gaza. They had that. The only things they’ve gained is a grotesque group of starved, abused and injured hostages to use as a pathetic bargaining chip and a post-apocalyptic urban wasteland completely uninhabitable and destroyed that will take years and billions to be rebuilt. How much of that money will make it to services and infrastructure that will directly benefit the people? Hamas is a danger to Israel but it’s more of a danger to the Gazan people. Who else is going to remove them apart from Israel? Why are no other governments or agencies stepping up and stepping in to get rid of them but at the same time criticising Israel for doing just that.

If Hamas does reject this deal then Israel will stay in the area for the foreseeable future and thousands more are going to die. Hamas knows that, but it’s only war, right?

Agree with all of this.

Dangermoos · 08/09/2025 20:17

childofthe607080s · 08/09/2025 20:16

It does

The only time claims of antisemitism are raised is when posters are displaying subtle signs.