Global Sumud Flotilla heading for Gaza

Well that went well.

Do you that the cctv video of the fireball dropping from the sky was doctored then?

More lies from the pro-Palestinians.

“Tunisian authorities have denied claims that one of the Gaza-bound vessels carrying aid and pro-Palestinian activists including Greta Thunberg was attacked by a drone.”

Tunisia's National Guard spokesman told Mosaique FM radio that reports of a drone attack on the flotilla "have no basis in truth", Reuters reported.
He added that an initial inspection indicated the explosion originated inside the vessel.

Do the "authorities" really expect us to believe that this fire on the flotilla main vessel was caused by a dropped cigarette . It was almost certainly caused by an Israeli trained suicide bombing seagull (possibly chain smoking - still unclear about that).

Attached photo of Israeli trained suicide seagulls:

Anyone who disagrees with this theory is a genocide, apartheid supporting fascist.

Correct - but not, as claimed by various posters, because foreigners might need rescuing by the IDF or need protecting from Palestinians.

My point is simply: people seem to be constructing their own little fantasy realities about stuff that just ... demonstrably isn't true.

The main boat “Family” has been hit by a drone as it was anchored in Tunis port. Complete violation of international law and an invasion in another country’s waters. Apparently all the crew have been safely evacuated.

The main boat “Family” has been hit by a drone as it was anchored in Tunis port. Complete violation of international law and an invasion in another country’s waters. Apparently all the crew have been safely evacuated.

The main boat “Family” has been hit by a drone as it was anchored in Tunis port. Complete violation of international law and an invasion in another country’s waters. Apparently all the crew have been safely evacuated.

You lot do realise that internationals have travelled to Gaza for literal decades, right? Pre-Oslo, under the PA, under Hamas? And that there has just never been any sustained pattern of them being targeted by any Palestinian factions.

Since the 2000s, a total of three foreigners have been killed by Palestinians in the oPt: two were international observers to Hebron and killed in a shooting around a bypass (settler only) road (unclear which faction if any). The third was an Italian journalist and activist, kidnapped and killed in the Gaza Strip in 2010 by some ISIS-affiliated group; this was roundly condemned by all Palestinian factions.

In other words: those are fewer than Israel killed in the WCK strike alone.

Admittedly, I do find the fantasies on this thread re. the heroic IDF rescuing Europeans illuminating - just not quite in the way you probably think: it tells me people have very little actual idea of what these places are actually like, what's safe, what isn't, what the real risks are, etc.

And I'm saying this as someone who has spent ample time in both Israel and the West Bank (and once, very briefly, Gaza).

Correct - but not, as claimed by various posters, because foreigners might need rescuing by the IDF or need protecting from Palestinians.

My point is simply: people seem to be constructing their own little fantasy realities about stuff that just ... demonstrably isn't true.

So basically, Gaza is unsafe for everyone, including Greta. Got it.

I never said that, nice strawman, though. I said there is literally no history of foreigners being targetted by Palestinians.

The Gaza Strip is obviously very much unsafe - for locals as well as internationals. But you are orders of magnitude more likely to be killed by Israel there than by any Palestinians.

That is just a matter of, you know, established record. I have listed the three known instances of foreigners being killed by Palestinians and the circumstances. The total number for all of the oPt is three since 2000, one of which killed in Gaza.

During the same period, Israel killed (only in Gaza or adjacent, excluding the West Bank):

• American Rachel Corrie
• Brits James Miller and Tom Hurndall
• 10 Turkish activists on a previous flotilla
• 6 foreign humanitarians in the WCK attack (various nationalities, including three Brits)

Total: 19

My overall point is: the people on this thread fantasising about how foreigners in Gaza would "be kidnapped" in a manner that sounds like thinly veiled glee are just ... wrong!

I never said that, nice strawman, though. I said there is literally no history of foreigners being targetted by Palestinians.

The Gaza Strip is obviously very much unsafe - for locals as well as internationals. But you are orders of magnitude more likely to be killed by Israel there than by any Palestinians.

That is just a matter of, you know, established record. I have listed the three known instances of foreigners being killed by Palestinians and the circumstances. The total number for all of the oPt is three since 2000, one of which killed in Gaza.

During the same period, Israel killed (only in Gaza or adjacent, excluding the West Bank):

• American Rachel Corrie
• Brits James Miller and Tom Hurndall
• 10 Turkish activists on a previous flotilla
• 6 foreign humanitarians in the WCK attack (various nationalities, including three Brits)

Total: 19

My overall point is: the people on this thread fantasising about how foreigners in Gaza would "be kidnapped" in a manner that sounds like thinly veiled glee are just ... wrong!

And you think its safe in Gaza aye 🙄

You lot do realise that internationals have travelled to Gaza for literal decades, right? Pre-Oslo, under the PA, under Hamas? And that there has just never been any sustained pattern of them being targeted by any Palestinian factions.

Since the 2000s, a total of three foreigners have been killed by Palestinians in the oPt: two were international observers to Hebron and killed in a shooting around a bypass (settler only) road (unclear which faction if any). The third was an Italian journalist and activist, kidnapped and killed in the Gaza Strip in 2010 by some ISIS-affiliated group; this was roundly condemned by all Palestinian factions.

In other words: those are fewer than Israel killed in the WCK strike alone.

Admittedly, I do find the fantasies on this thread re. the heroic IDF rescuing Europeans illuminating - just not quite in the way you probably think: it tells me people have very little actual idea of what these places are actually like, what's safe, what isn't, what the real risks are, etc.

And I'm saying this as someone who has spent ample time in both Israel and the West Bank (and once, very briefly, Gaza).

You lot do realise that internationals have travelled to Gaza for literal decades, right? Pre-Oslo, under the PA, under Hamas? And that there has just never been any sustained pattern of them being targeted by any Palestinian factions.

Since the 2000s, a total of three foreigners have been killed by Palestinians in the oPt: two were international observers to Hebron and killed in a shooting around a bypass (settler only) road (unclear which faction if any). The third was an Italian journalist and activist, kidnapped and killed in the Gaza Strip in 2010 by some ISIS-affiliated group; this was roundly condemned by all Palestinian factions.

In other words: those are fewer than Israel killed in the WCK strike alone.

Admittedly, I do find the fantasies on this thread re. the heroic IDF rescuing Europeans illuminating - just not quite in the way you probably think: it tells me people have very little actual idea of what these places are actually like, what's safe, what isn't, what the real risks are, etc.

And I'm saying this as someone who has spent ample time in both Israel and the West Bank (and once, very briefly, Gaza).

A futilla ?

It’s not going to make the situation worse. No Israeli navy resources are being used in the humanitarian aid process. Hamas has no navy. They don’t even have fishing boats or rubber dinghies.

The flotilla is utterly futile to deliver humanitarian aid but it is a direct action protest highlighting the fact there is no longer a security or military need for a sea blockade for Israel to win the war.

That humanitarian aid could be brought by sea in large numbers- the concept was proven by the US pier.

Given that the roads are impassable rubble, and airdrops are dangerously chaotic, I think it is past time to reconsider flooding Gaza with aid by land and sea. Of course, all this done by actual humanitarian organisations. Not GHF.