Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

@Everexpanding you have been consistently rude to various people on this this thread, most notably doubling down on your accusation of 'bullshit' when people pointed out that there was a history of antisemitism in Ireland. Now, please, leave me alone.

Yeah right.

I didn't post a post of his. I quoted some entirely legitimate quotes from an article he wrote in The Times, a newspaper respected around the world. There is no reason to believe they are incorrect and indeed @Martymcfly24 who is knowledgeable about Irish history has agreed that they are legit. I also mentioned in my post that he appeared to be an odd character. That does not undermine the legitimacy of the quotes in the context of a discussion about the history of antisemitism in Ireland.

You seem to struggle with civil discussion, preferring abuse and ad hom attacks. Im surprised (not really) that you have torn yourself away from meditating on the news about the enquiry in order to find something else to hold against me. But its a bit rich. You might take a leaf out of Marty's book who, despite us disagreeing many times is still able to hold a civil conversation about something that is interesting.

That's quite a denial of reality! Thank you, interesting.

Rabbit hole here.

Yeah your right about both of those politicians. Breen said that, he seems to have been so anti Britain (fought in War of Independence) he supported Hitler but he also lamented a fascist political party in Ireland not getting any seats.

Flannagan was also an open anti semite. Be also said on the Late Late Show " there was no sex in Ireland before television" and I think he believed it!

I cant post the link, I don't know why. Its Humphrys not Humphreys if you want to google and he is at Dublin City University.
You're right, I misunderstood he is not actually a historian. Seems a slightly odd character actually. I'll look into those quotes a bit more fully but I doubt they are incorrect if pulished in tbe Times. It would be interesting to know more about the context.

I believe the news headline refers to a UN committee looking at intent because genocide requires intent. It's not the ICJ judgement, maybe it's part of the argument in the case.
The initial case was brought by SA, allegedly with funding from Iran. https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-03-15-sas-ties-with-iran-and-the-high-price-of-the-ancs-revolutionary-nostalgia/

Meanwhile there are reports that the UN will rule on a 2 state peace backed by Arab nations, with hostage release as a condition and no hamas on the 22 of this month. We'll see what is decided and what power can make it happen.

Yes you have plastered that wherever you can well done! Are we all supposed to stop what we are doing now? Are you trying to close down discussion on other threads? What about AIBU about people who toot their horns at pedestrians, or tbe excitement of taking the monorail to MK? Or are they ok?

@SharonEllis who is Mark Humphreys I have searched but I can't find an irish.historian by that name. I would be very interested because I did part of my history thesis on Cuman na mBan and I find them very interesting.

Is talking about history banned today? Who decided?

I didn't read this the first time as I thought it related to de Valera, but it was also Hyde!

More from Irish historian Mark Humphrys
1940, for example, Cumann na mBan said the Nazis “are fighting Ireland’s battle, and the battle of all oppressed nations within the Empire”. Three years later Dan Breen, a Fianna Fail TD, sent birthday greetings to Hitler: “Congratulations to the Führer on his birthday. May he live long [and] lead Europe on the road to peace, security and happiness.”

Oliver J Flanagan, as an independent TD, praised Nazi Germany in the Dail in 1943. “There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their country,” he said.

I wonder what pushback there was against all these Nazi sympathisers?

There are no definitive boundaries to 'Eretz Israel'.

The definition of zionism means to settle in the land of 'Eretz Israel' that refers to all of the Palestinian territories. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like and then say that's what most zionists believe.

We were talking about zionism. You are talking about the current Israeli government.

It is antisemitic to deny the jewish people the right to self determination, unless you are some sort of anarchist who thinks all nation states should be destroyed.

Yet this is where the whole Ireland is antisemitic thing started isn't it? Because Ireland moved to recognise Palestine so that they could have self determination. So many people here were insistent that self determination isn't a right, it's something that Palestinians need to earn, if they were good little Arabs then maybe some time in the future the right that everyone else has by birth might be possibly be bestowed on them. Israel exploded with anger that Ireland, Spain and Iceland would have the gall to recognise Palestinians as worthy of self determination and lashed out in their usual childish fashion.

Israel signed an agreement on Thursday to move ahead with bisecting the West Bank.
“We are going to fulfil our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us,” - Netanyahu.

It seems that Israel believe they have the right to self determination where ever they please and fuck everyone else.

Also just to clarify you said But to say that Zionism has nothing to do with the government of Israel is a lot like saying communism had nothing to do with the government of the USSR.
I don't think I did say that. In fact I said Obviously Israel's government is zionist and various political parties in Israel are zionist. It would be a complete nonsense for them not to be. It doesn't mean zionism is the government of Israel. In fact it would be entirely consistent with zionism to be resolutely opposed to the government if you believed they were putting the state of Israel at risk.

You are picking out a particularly fundamentalist strand of Zionism, which has been politically important but doesn't alter the basic definition of zionism. It does illustrate my point though, thank you.
All zionist agree believe in the right to self determination of the Jewish people. Not all zionists agree that the activities of Gush Emunim was the way to achieve and sustain it. Gush Emunim emerged out of a political moment with a practical response to it. Its notable that it doesn't really operate anymore. While zionism continues.