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Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:24

Good news. Political pressure, protests and letters beginning to work

www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/01/israel-to-market-war-bonds-through-luxembourg-as-irish-authority-expires/

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itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 22:59

Why do you have to wait for the UK government to call it a genocide before you will believe it? Can’t you decide for yourself, or do you need to be told what to think? Seems a bit weird.

Mercurial123 · 20/09/2025 22:56

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 22:50

Not many states have declared it a genocide. Most countries like the UK & Germany are waiting for more evidence. The ones that have done so like Turkey, Egypt & Maldives tend to be Islamic states.

A handful of exceptions in Europe like Spain & Ireland.

Ireland as discussed on another thread have a long history of supporting Palestine against Israel since well before this conflict.

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Or rather UK and Germany have supplied arms to Israel and would not want to be seen as complicit in supporting a genocide?

www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/berlin-risks-being-complicit-in-gaza-genocide-warns-former-german-envoy/3687712

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 22:50

Mercurial123 · 20/09/2025 21:50

Highly unlikely that ANY government supplying arms to Israel will announce a genocide.

www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/global-complicity-uk-involvement-profiting-atrocity-and-enabling-israels-genocide

Not many states have declared it a genocide. Most countries like the UK & Germany are waiting for more evidence. The ones that have done so like Turkey, Egypt & Maldives tend to be Islamic states.

A handful of exceptions in Europe like Spain & Ireland.

Ireland as discussed on another thread have a long history of supporting Palestine against Israel since well before this conflict.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 22:31

But you keep burying that head eh?

Mercurial123 · 20/09/2025 21:50

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 16:00

According to the UK government there is not sufficient evidence to classify it as a genocide at the current time.

I will call it a genocide when the UK government does so as that will tell me there is sufficient evidence we as ordinary citizens are not privy to.

Highly unlikely that ANY government supplying arms to Israel will announce a genocide.

www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/global-complicity-uk-involvement-profiting-atrocity-and-enabling-israels-genocide

Global complicity, UK involvement: Profiting from atrocity and enabling Israel’s genocide and apartheid – new briefing

From bombs to big data - 15 companies profiting from and fueling Israel’s mass atrocities

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/global-complicity-uk-involvement-profiting-atrocity-and-enabling-israels-genocide

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 21:24

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:44

I did specify which flag. You just didnt follow the conversation.

Where in public is it being flown every day?

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 16:00

Everexpanding · 20/09/2025 15:12

Again as someone said earlier a war?
@Twiglets1 I think you have misspelled genocide

perhaps you could set up some sort of auto reply to say “but Hamas” every time someone posts about the 20,000 children at least that Israel has killed, the destruction they have brought to Gaza and the horrifying total of innocent civilians they have bombed, burnt and maimed

According to the UK government there is not sufficient evidence to classify it as a genocide at the current time.

I will call it a genocide when the UK government does so as that will tell me there is sufficient evidence we as ordinary citizens are not privy to.

Everexpanding · 20/09/2025 15:12

Again as someone said earlier a war?
@Twiglets1 I think you have misspelled genocide

perhaps you could set up some sort of auto reply to say “but Hamas” every time someone posts about the 20,000 children at least that Israel has killed, the destruction they have brought to Gaza and the horrifying total of innocent civilians they have bombed, burnt and maimed

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Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 14:11

Everexpanding · 20/09/2025 13:46

Israel have routinely destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure in the past, so maybe they could advise what their plan is this time to replace the hospitals, schools, universities sanitation plants and housing they have destroyed or is it to be left up to the UN with funding from all of us again.

Why don't you include Hamas in your list of all those you think may be asked to pay for it? The IDF wouldn't have caused all this damage if Hamas hadn't started the current conflict or had agreed all Netanyahu's terms for a ceasefire months ago.

Normally the side that loses a war loses land and has to pay a lot to rebuild the country.

Everexpanding · 20/09/2025 13:46

Israel have routinely destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure in the past, so maybe they could advise what their plan is this time to replace the hospitals, schools, universities sanitation plants and housing they have destroyed or is it to be left up to the UN with funding from all of us again.

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Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 13:22

quantumbutterfly · 20/09/2025 12:34

Hamas have investments in Turkey & Qatar, perhaps some pressure can be exerted to make them do the right thing for Gazans for a change.

Oh yes, they've got lots of money. And won't be needing it for building more tunnels underground so maybe they could contribute to building work above ground.

quantumbutterfly · 20/09/2025 12:34

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 12:18

Hamas run the Gaza Strip and also triggered this current conflict so I guess they should have a plan?

It would be great if they did, save other countries having to get involved in rebuilding Gaza who - let’s face it, won’t do it for nothing.

Hamas have investments in Turkey & Qatar, perhaps some pressure can be exerted to make them do the right thing for Gazans for a change.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 12:18

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 11:41

For themselves maybe, meanwhile the Palestinians?

Hamas run the Gaza Strip and also triggered this current conflict so I guess they should have a plan?

It would be great if they did, save other countries having to get involved in rebuilding Gaza who - let’s face it, won’t do it for nothing.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 11:41

For themselves maybe, meanwhile the Palestinians?

quantumbutterfly · 20/09/2025 11:13

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 10:08

Should the people of Gaza then submit claims for damage or destruction? And who to?

hamas.
Apparently they've been investing billions in aid for just such an eventuality.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 10:08

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:46

You don't know the difference? Try contacting your insurers and telling them your house has been destroyed when its only been damaged. You'll suddenly find the distinction is quite significant.

Should the people of Gaza then submit claims for damage or destruction? And who to?

Pasly · 20/09/2025 09:26

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:46

You don't know the difference? Try contacting your insurers and telling them your house has been destroyed when its only been damaged. You'll suddenly find the distinction is quite significant.

You'll suddenly find the distinction is quite significant.
It really isn't. If it is structurally unsound it will be destroyed anyway so no difference. Many images of rubble with structurally unsound buildings standing in the middle of it. None of it habitable.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 20/09/2025 08:02

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:46

You don't know the difference? Try contacting your insurers and telling them your house has been destroyed when its only been damaged. You'll suddenly find the distinction is quite significant.

🙄

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:46

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 19/09/2025 19:45

lest we focus on this:

Damaged, remember. Not destroyed

You don't know the difference? Try contacting your insurers and telling them your house has been destroyed when its only been damaged. You'll suddenly find the distinction is quite significant.

SharonEllis · 20/09/2025 07:44

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 19/09/2025 10:33

“You are dismissing the flag. You said it was a just a piece of cloth and said 'give me strength'. Would you say to a black person in america dont let the confederate flag bother you, its just a bit of cloth? Or perhaps a burning cross, just a bit of wood?
The PFLP is viscious extreme antisemitic organisation, responsible for numerous murders and particularly noted for its plane hijackings. It does not recognise Israel. It is proscribed by the EU and the US. Supporti g it is illegal but more important its obviously designed to intimidate Jews and cannot be anything other than antisemitic.”

Well I agree with you 100% on the PFLP flag, but that’s not the same flag as a Palestinian Flag… you would avoid a lot of disagreement if you specified which flag walking by every day was horrific from the start, I like others thought you meant the Palestinian flag.

I did specify which flag. You just didnt follow the conversation.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 19/09/2025 19:45

lest we focus on this:

Damaged, remember. Not destroyed

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/09/2025 19:42

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 19/09/2025 19:40

It would appear as if some posters are still prepared to die on their own sword and throw up any old source written by any old kook to prove that they were right, rather than admit to being the bigger person and saying that maybe they backed the wrong horse and they are in fact wrong. Never mind. Just the country of Palestine and its population lost in the meantime.

Yes, lots of threads being made ‘look over here!’

lest we focus on this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo.amp

An aerial shot shows vast destruction: bombed out buildings, rubble, and rising smoke.

Israeli minister touts Gaza 'real estate bonanza', defying international backlash - BBC News

Bezalel Smotrich, an ultranationalist who has been sanctioned by the UK and others, said he was in discussion with the US over the idea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo.amp

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 19/09/2025 19:40

It would appear as if some posters are still prepared to die on their own sword and throw up any old source written by any old kook to prove that they were right, rather than admit to being the bigger person and saying that maybe they backed the wrong horse and they are in fact wrong. Never mind. Just the country of Palestine and its population lost in the meantime.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/09/2025 19:31

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/09/2025 19:10

Classic deflection.

Fine, all in my own words then: Israel could have used intelligence-led, targeted operations and humanitarian-first approaches instead of levelling Gaza/selling it off as real-estate and starving civilians. That’s my position. How would you address that?

Still nothing to say about this @Twiglets1 ?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/09/2025 19:30

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/09/2025 19:12

Can you provide evidence that most of those have been and are being used.

You’re all very busy on the other threads… just wondering when you’ll get back to me on this?