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Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:24

Good news. Political pressure, protests and letters beginning to work

www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/01/israel-to-market-war-bonds-through-luxembourg-as-irish-authority-expires/

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SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 11:00

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 10:59

I'm 'extrapolating' from a country that hasn't done enough to quash these 'extremists' in fact they have allowed this anti Christian abuse to grow and grow and the government has fed into it by accusing multiple Christian majority countries of being 'antisemitic' rather than doing what most diplomatic countries do and that is address the issues being raised.

I think you're muddling up several things actually.

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 10:59

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 10:52

And you are extrapolating from a few extremists on the ground (which noone denies) to widespread anti-Catholic prejudice more widely.

I'm 'extrapolating' from a country that hasn't done enough to quash these 'extremists' in fact they have allowed this anti Christian abuse to grow and grow and the government has fed into it by accusing multiple Christian majority countries of being 'antisemitic' rather than doing what most diplomatic countries do and that is address the issues being raised.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 10:52

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 10:50

Yet you know full well that anti Christian behaviour is a big problem in Israel. You know this so you can claim never to have seen anti Catholic rhetoric from Israelis but you know that Christians get spat on there. You know that Christian religious leaders get physically attacked there. You know that churches and religious statues etc get vandalised there. You know all of this exists from Israelis on a very regular basis so maybe you personally don't see them posting about it on the Internet but if they are willing to spit on people and desecrate their graves I'm sure you will acknowledge that it isn't far fetched to imagine that it does exist online too, you just haven't seen it.

And you are extrapolating from a few extremists on the ground (which noone denies) to widespread anti-Catholic prejudice more widely.

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 10:50

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 10:04

All the top 50 countries for persecution of Christians are in Africa, Asia and Middle East. We have discussed attacks on christians in Gaza/WB/Israel by both Jewish and Muslim extremists before on this board so its hardly something we have ignored but as ever people only seem interested where Israel can be blamed.

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

Honestly its a very bizarre argument. I follow a lot of Jewish and Israeli accounts and have never been hit by an avalanche of anti Catholic content (despite the very longstanding problems of catholic antisemitism which is completely undeniable). I see an awful lot of antisemitic content from Irish accounts though.

Yet you know full well that anti Christian behaviour is a big problem in Israel. You know this so you can claim never to have seen anti Catholic rhetoric from Israelis but you know that Christians get spat on there. You know that Christian religious leaders get physically attacked there. You know that churches and religious statues etc get vandalised there. You know all of this exists from Israelis on a very regular basis so maybe you personally don't see them posting about it on the Internet but if they are willing to spit on people and desecrate their graves I'm sure you will acknowledge that it isn't far fetched to imagine that it does exist online too, you just haven't seen it.

quantumbutterfly · 15/09/2025 10:25

Welcometoshowbusiness · 15/09/2025 10:11

Are you confusing criticism of what Israel is doing with anti-semitism? Because a lot of people do.

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Evidence suggests not when citizens of countries are targeted as proxies for Israel only because they share Jewishness.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 10:21

Welcometoshowbusiness · 15/09/2025 10:11

Are you confusing criticism of what Israel is doing with anti-semitism? Because a lot of people do.

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Not me.

Welcometoshowbusiness · 15/09/2025 10:11

Are you confusing criticism of what Israel is doing with anti-semitism? Because a lot of people do.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 10:04

quantumbutterfly · 15/09/2025 09:33

I think you'll find the rise in attacks on 'Christians' is more marked in African countries than it is in israel, there have been many (pretty horrific) deaths. Israel are not involved though so perhaps it's too wide a world view.

All the top 50 countries for persecution of Christians are in Africa, Asia and Middle East. We have discussed attacks on christians in Gaza/WB/Israel by both Jewish and Muslim extremists before on this board so its hardly something we have ignored but as ever people only seem interested where Israel can be blamed.

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

Honestly its a very bizarre argument. I follow a lot of Jewish and Israeli accounts and have never been hit by an avalanche of anti Catholic content (despite the very longstanding problems of catholic antisemitism which is completely undeniable). I see an awful lot of antisemitic content from Irish accounts though.

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https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

Everexpanding · 15/09/2025 09:58

Why is everyone being so mean to poor Israel? Maybe because it’s being an asshole

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allusernamesaretakennow · 15/09/2025 09:55

quantumbutterfly · 15/09/2025 09:33

I think you'll find the rise in attacks on 'Christians' is more marked in African countries than it is in israel, there have been many (pretty horrific) deaths. Israel are not involved though so perhaps it's too wide a world view.

Its ignored when its other countries. Its only relevant when its Israel.

quantumbutterfly · 15/09/2025 09:33

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 08:12

You are on the Ireland is antisemitic bandwagon on every thread where Ireland is mentioned yet you don't think there could be a link between Israels continued verbal attacks on Christian majority countries and their huge problem with anti Christian behaviour. If Irish people were spitting on Jewish people, desecrating their graves, destroying their religious symbols, physically attacking their religious leaders and speaking out against Israel we all know that the two would be linked and rightly so.

When the Israeli government called the Irish leader antisemitic with absolutely no evidence to back up their claim it opened the door for an avalanche of anti Catholic rhetoric from Israelis across the internet, some people would say that the Israeli government have been inciting it. They certainly haven't been doing enough to get to grips with the rising tide of anti Christian attacks there that's for sure.

I think you'll find the rise in attacks on 'Christians' is more marked in African countries than it is in israel, there have been many (pretty horrific) deaths. Israel are not involved though so perhaps it's too wide a world view.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 09:24

Please show me where I am on the Ireland is antisemitic bandwagon on every thread. Otherwise its just a personal attack.

I do think this this all so interesting though. We all expect countries like UK & America to be self reflective about their racism, with all the taking the knee etc. When it comes to antisemitism there is no reflection at all, just outrage and defensiveness at the mere mention.

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 08:12

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 07:57

Where did I say that I was comlletely unaware of the harassment of Christians? Why do people do this in this board? Its pathetic.

The point is whether that has any impact on foreign policy and diplomacy. You havent made a compelling case that it does.

You are on the Ireland is antisemitic bandwagon on every thread where Ireland is mentioned yet you don't think there could be a link between Israels continued verbal attacks on Christian majority countries and their huge problem with anti Christian behaviour. If Irish people were spitting on Jewish people, desecrating their graves, destroying their religious symbols, physically attacking their religious leaders and speaking out against Israel we all know that the two would be linked and rightly so.

When the Israeli government called the Irish leader antisemitic with absolutely no evidence to back up their claim it opened the door for an avalanche of anti Catholic rhetoric from Israelis across the internet, some people would say that the Israeli government have been inciting it. They certainly haven't been doing enough to get to grips with the rising tide of anti Christian attacks there that's for sure.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 07:57

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 07:18

Really you are completely unaware of the harassment of Christians? I bet if Irish people were spitting on Jewish people on the regular you'd have a lot more to say about it.

Where did I say that I was comlletely unaware of the harassment of Christians? Why do people do this in this board? Its pathetic.

The point is whether that has any impact on foreign policy and diplomacy. You havent made a compelling case that it does.

GladioliGreen · 15/09/2025 07:18

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 06:36

I didn't have Israel having a problem with Christians on my bingo card, I have to say.

Really you are completely unaware of the harassment of Christians? I bet if Irish people were spitting on Jewish people on the regular you'd have a lot more to say about it.

Twiglets1 · 15/09/2025 06:38

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 06:36

I didn't have Israel having a problem with Christians on my bingo card, I have to say.

We’re going to need a bigger card.

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 06:37

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 22:09

I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

And monasteries is spelt with an ‘a’.

I think we can be sure that this theory is not very well thought through!

SharonEllis · 15/09/2025 06:36

I didn't have Israel having a problem with Christians on my bingo card, I have to say.

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 23:36

SharonEllis · 14/09/2025 22:37

Then that would play out with their relationship with every other Christian country wouldn't it? Where is your evidence for that?

Well Ireland isn't alone in being accused of antisemitism and discrimination by Israeli officials are they? Just today Amir Baram, the director-general of Tel Aviv’s defence ministry accused the UK of being discriminatory towards Israel. Spain were accused of waging “anti-Israel and antisemitic campaign.” Brasils leader was accused of a 'serious antisemitic attack'. Canada is majority Christian, accused of being 'a champion of antisemitism'. Australia majority Christian their government accused of 'fueling antisemitism'. France majority Christian 'inciting hate'.

SharonEllis · 14/09/2025 22:37

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 22:16

I'm suggesting that perhaps there is anti Christian bias at play within the Israeli government when they do things like accuse the leader of a country of being antisemitic with no evidence for those assertions. There is a huge problem in Israel with anti Christian behaviour that is only growing with each passing year. It's hardly out of the realms of possibility that some of that anti Christian prejudice would spill over into their dealings with Christians outside of Israel too.

Then that would play out with their relationship with every other Christian country wouldn't it? Where is your evidence for that?

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 22:16

SharonEllis · 14/09/2025 22:08

What are you suggesting exactly?

I'm suggesting that perhaps there is anti Christian bias at play within the Israeli government when they do things like accuse the leader of a country of being antisemitic with no evidence for those assertions. There is a huge problem in Israel with anti Christian behaviour that is only growing with each passing year. It's hardly out of the realms of possibility that some of that anti Christian prejudice would spill over into their dealings with Christians outside of Israel too.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 22:09

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 22:02

I don't know when a country has a problem with its citizens spitting on Christians, attacking cemeteries, monestries and churches, physical assaults on members of the clergy, one might wonder if there is an alternative explanation for their verbal attacks and accusations on a Christian country like Ireland. But there you go.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

And monasteries is spelt with an ‘a’.

SharonEllis · 14/09/2025 22:08

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 22:02

I don't know when a country has a problem with its citizens spitting on Christians, attacking cemeteries, monestries and churches, physical assaults on members of the clergy, one might wonder if there is an alternative explanation for their verbal attacks and accusations on a Christian country like Ireland. But there you go.

What are you suggesting exactly?

GladioliGreen · 14/09/2025 22:02

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 21:26

About a state? Remarkable stuff.

But do carry on saying what you like - truth, lies, whatever - about Israel. I doubt anyone would report you, however, because you’d be expressing an opinion about a state.

That said, of course, Israel being the sole Jewish homeland does mean that people would be entitled to regard posters’ attacks on it as more suspicious of motive than attacks on, say, France or Italy or England. Or Ireland. But there you go.

I don't know when a country has a problem with its citizens spitting on Christians, attacking cemeteries, monestries and churches, physical assaults on members of the clergy, one might wonder if there is an alternative explanation for their verbal attacks and accusations on a Christian country like Ireland. But there you go.

Welcometoshowbusiness · 14/09/2025 21:27

Just the usual accusations iirc, but towards the state this time.

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