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Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:15

An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

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Martymcfly24 · 04/09/2025 16:50

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 16:40

Links please?

I’ll go through them later on but IIRC the forensic architecture report seemed to have missed that a machine gun attached to a tank managed not to hit any windows of the car, only the bodywork.

You would expect the military targeting people in a car to go for headshots which would have involved aiming at the windows.

I don’t think it was ever disclosed what injuries Hind died from. She would have had a lot of bullet wounds from 355 rounds which you’d have thought would definitely have been reported.

The IDF have stated that as they were not in the area, they wouldn’t have liaised with the Red Crescent to allow the ambulance passage to get to Hind.

Was any evidence shown that they did?

The standout thing from this is that the tragic death of this child was used to create a foundation solely set up to target IDF soldiers by people with dubious links.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/special_report_hrf_foundation_2025-01/en/Research_Reports_unmasking_hate_real_face_hind_rajab_foundation.pdf

I think the windows were hit alright

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say
CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 16:40

TulipLavender · 04/09/2025 15:54

Except it has come to light and there is no accountability or prosecutions because there never is and there is no global outcry. Israel act with impunity and they do so because people like you find any excuse to deny and detract from their heinous acts.

The evidence is clear. Hamas don't have tanks.

Extensive evidence gathered through forensic analysis, satellite imagery, audio recordings, and eyewitness accounts points to Israeli forces as responsible for the killing of six-year-old Hind Rajab, her relatives, and the paramedics sent to rescue them in Gaza City in January 2024. While the Israeli military (IDF) initially denied any involvement, claiming its forces were not in the area, multiple independent investigations have refuted this claim.

Evidence Linking Israeli Forces to the Killings

  • Location and Military Presence: Satellite imagery from January 29, 2024, showed Israeli military vehicles, including tanks, near the family's car in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood, despite IDF denials.
  • Audio Evidence: A recording of the phone call between Hind Rajab's 15-year-old cousin, Layan Hamada, and Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) dispatchers captured Layan's voice saying, "They are shooting at us. The tank is next to me," before she was killed.
  • Acoustic Analysis: The investigative organization Earshot analyzed the audio recording of the gunfire. Their findings indicated the shots were fired from a tank 13 to 23 meters away from the car. The type of rapid-fire gun used is consistent with Israeli-issued weaponry, not Hamas weapons.
  • Car Damage: Forensic Architecture documented 335 bullet holes in the family's Kia car, indicating it was fired upon multiple times and from a close range. Given the proximity, forensic experts concluded the shooters could see the occupants were civilians, including children. Analysis of the vehicle also suggests it was run over by an armored vehicle, such as a bulldozer.
  • Targeting of Ambulance: Forensic analysis found that the ambulance sent to rescue Hind, whose movement was coordinated with Israeli authorities, was hit by a 120mm M830A1 High-Explosive Anti-Tank round. This round can be fired by Israeli Merkava tanks, and the trajectory is consistent with the location of Israeli tanks in the area.
  • IDF Officer Identified: In May 2025, the Hind Rajab Foundation announced that a year-long investigation identified Lieutenant Colonel Beni Aharon of the IDF's 401st Armored Brigade as the commander of the unit responsible for the attack.

The paramedics had to liaise with the IDF for permission to go to the car to try to rescue Hind. The IDF gave that permission. The ambulance that was allowed into the area where satellites confirmed idf tanks were in close proximity was then fired on by a tank.

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Links please?

I’ll go through them later on but IIRC the forensic architecture report seemed to have missed that a machine gun attached to a tank managed not to hit any windows of the car, only the bodywork.

You would expect the military targeting people in a car to go for headshots which would have involved aiming at the windows.

I don’t think it was ever disclosed what injuries Hind died from. She would have had a lot of bullet wounds from 355 rounds which you’d have thought would definitely have been reported.

The IDF have stated that as they were not in the area, they wouldn’t have liaised with the Red Crescent to allow the ambulance passage to get to Hind.

Was any evidence shown that they did?

The standout thing from this is that the tragic death of this child was used to create a foundation solely set up to target IDF soldiers by people with dubious links.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/special_report_hrf_foundation_2025-01/en/Research_Reports_unmasking_hate_real_face_hind_rajab_foundation.pdf

TulipLavender · 04/09/2025 15:54

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 12:36

I don’t believe the IDF killed Hind at all. It is a disgusting blood libel. It defies all logic and reason. 355 bullets used on one target by a professional military? This supposed crime of theirs would come to light and they would be publicly condemned. Doesn’t make sense.

You might believe it if as usual, you come from a starting point of believing that the IDF is an evil, blood thirsty entity made up of monsters which I recall seeing them described as on here on many occasions.

I believe they are a regular Army made up of regular humans.

Hamas needed a face to convey Israel’s evilness in this war. Someone whose death would cause maximum outrage. A highly emotive personal story with a name.

I believe one of two scenarios took place. Hind’s family was attacked while trying to evacuate by Hamas or the PIJ who both have a history of attacking Palestinians to prevent them evacuating. Hind either died from wounds from that attack or they came back and killed her.

Or the incident was staged and didn’t happen. There was a video investigation I came across ages ago showing no blood in the car at all.

Both of those scenarios are more believable to me than the IDF firing 355 rounds into a car they would have clearly seen carried a family.

There is more than enough in this thread to create reasonable doubt.

https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1892930364479357157

Let’s face it Forensic Architecture’s aim seems to be to ensure Israel is blamed and they did not have access to the scene.

It’s the same as the ridiculous blood libel that the IDF forced every single member of hospital staff to leave a hospital so they could deliberately leave premature babies in incubators to die, who were then very conveniently ‘found’ by a journalist weeks later.

For Hamas, propaganda is the only weapon they have to win this war. People seem to forget that.

If you are a Jewish person, I’m surprised that the anti Israel bias (which is basically anti-semitism) a lot of these organisations blatantly show, is not more of a concern to you.

Except it has come to light and there is no accountability or prosecutions because there never is and there is no global outcry. Israel act with impunity and they do so because people like you find any excuse to deny and detract from their heinous acts.

The evidence is clear. Hamas don't have tanks.

Extensive evidence gathered through forensic analysis, satellite imagery, audio recordings, and eyewitness accounts points to Israeli forces as responsible for the killing of six-year-old Hind Rajab, her relatives, and the paramedics sent to rescue them in Gaza City in January 2024. While the Israeli military (IDF) initially denied any involvement, claiming its forces were not in the area, multiple independent investigations have refuted this claim.

Evidence Linking Israeli Forces to the Killings

  • Location and Military Presence: Satellite imagery from January 29, 2024, showed Israeli military vehicles, including tanks, near the family's car in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood, despite IDF denials.
  • Audio Evidence: A recording of the phone call between Hind Rajab's 15-year-old cousin, Layan Hamada, and Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) dispatchers captured Layan's voice saying, "They are shooting at us. The tank is next to me," before she was killed.
  • Acoustic Analysis: The investigative organization Earshot analyzed the audio recording of the gunfire. Their findings indicated the shots were fired from a tank 13 to 23 meters away from the car. The type of rapid-fire gun used is consistent with Israeli-issued weaponry, not Hamas weapons.
  • Car Damage: Forensic Architecture documented 335 bullet holes in the family's Kia car, indicating it was fired upon multiple times and from a close range. Given the proximity, forensic experts concluded the shooters could see the occupants were civilians, including children. Analysis of the vehicle also suggests it was run over by an armored vehicle, such as a bulldozer.
  • Targeting of Ambulance: Forensic analysis found that the ambulance sent to rescue Hind, whose movement was coordinated with Israeli authorities, was hit by a 120mm M830A1 High-Explosive Anti-Tank round. This round can be fired by Israeli Merkava tanks, and the trajectory is consistent with the location of Israeli tanks in the area.
  • IDF Officer Identified: In May 2025, the Hind Rajab Foundation announced that a year-long investigation identified Lieutenant Colonel Beni Aharon of the IDF's 401st Armored Brigade as the commander of the unit responsible for the attack.

The paramedics had to liaise with the IDF for permission to go to the car to try to rescue Hind. The IDF gave that permission. The ambulance that was allowed into the area where satellites confirmed idf tanks were in close proximity was then fired on by a tank.

Tryonemoretime · 04/09/2025 14:26

Sorry. Posted twice by mistake...

Tryonemoretime · 04/09/2025 14:26

So far, no one has mentioned the fact that the huge, deep and long underground tunnels (some large enough for trucks to travel through) must have cost a fortune to make - money which Hamas could have used to support the Gazan public. Those tunnels have been found emerging into civilian structures.... Hamas doesn't care for fellow Gazans. If they did, when bombs were dropped on Gaza, why weren't the civilians given shelter in them? Hamas want to get rid of all Israelis (their strongly intended genocide) and they want their radical Islamisation to spread. Would any of you want to bring up your daughters under their regime? Those of you with gay kids - do you know how Gazans treat gays? I have a much loved gay niece. She'd be one of those killed by them. Now ask yourselves - would you want your children to live under a Hamas government or under an Israeli government? Israel is fighting for its children. For their lives. And it's standing up for us in the West, too...

Tryonemoretime · 04/09/2025 14:26

So far, no one has mentioned the fact that the huge, deep and long underground tunnels (some large enough for trucks to travel through) must have cost a fortune to make - money which Hamas could have used to support the Gazan public. Those tunnels have been found emerging into civilian structures.... Hamas doesn't care for fellow Gazans. If they did, when bombs were dropped on Gaza, why weren't the civilians given shelter in them? Hamas want to get rid of all Israelis (their strongly intended genocide) and they want their radical Islamisation to spread. Would any of you want to bring up your daughters under their regime? Those of you with gay kids - do you know how Gazans treat gays? I have a much loved gay niece. She'd be one of those killed by them. Now ask yourselves - would you want your children to live under a Hamas government or under an Israeli government? Israel is fighting for its children. For their lives. And it's standing up for us in the West, too...

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 14:23

I think you are doing a good enough job trying to call out/ dehumanise Palestinians unfortunately for you and those you refer to as “we” nothing justifies genocide.

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dairydebris · 04/09/2025 14:16

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:56

Bullshit there is no hatred in my posts just facts and history that you find inconvenient .

Really?

All those posts from you on the bad things Israel has done. Not a word on Hamas. Not a word on Palestinian accountability. A huge list of Israeli atrocities going back many years ( probably a cut and paste but even so ) not a mention of any Palestinian atrocities.

It's not exactly a balanced viewpoint is it?

When one side is vilified constantly by you, and atrocities commited by the other side are not even mentioned tbh it does start to look like hate. And thats before we even get into other atrocities elsewhere in the world...

I have no problem with facts or history. I quite like them. No facts or history are inconvenient... they just... are.

I'll leave you to it, I've many bulbs to plant.

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 14:06

How do you feel about the paramedics killed also while trying to rescue her ?
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68261286.amp

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CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 14:01

hkathy · 04/09/2025 13:52

The post directly after you did exactly that.

You’d already made accusations of excusing Hind’s death before my post (which is obviously the one you are referring to).

Show me where in my post I even hinted at excusing that little girl’s death?

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:56

dairydebris · 04/09/2025 13:51

I can only apologize for insufficient emoting on this website. Tbh I dont hear your tears either, but I do hear your hatred. One's much louder than the other.

Bullshit there is no hatred in my posts just facts and history that you find inconvenient .

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hkathy · 04/09/2025 13:52

dairydebris · 04/09/2025 12:19

Who here has excused the death of Hind Rajab?

What do you mean on the 'wrong side of history'?

The post directly after you did exactly that.

dairydebris · 04/09/2025 13:51

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:48

I don’t hear your tears for Palestinians @dairydebris

don’t have a noddle

I can only apologize for insufficient emoting on this website. Tbh I dont hear your tears either, but I do hear your hatred. One's much louder than the other.

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:48

I don’t hear your tears for Palestinians @dairydebris

don’t have a noddle

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dairydebris · 04/09/2025 13:48

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:46

I will not apologise for hating the killing of innocent children and civilians at scale. I will not apologise for being opposed to the deliberate starving of a civilian population. I will not apologise for being tired of people on this board attempting to justify and cover up a genocide.

No one's asked you to! Its ok!

Beachtastic · 04/09/2025 13:48

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:46

I will not apologise for hating the killing of innocent children and civilians at scale. I will not apologise for being opposed to the deliberate starving of a civilian population. I will not apologise for being tired of people on this board attempting to justify and cover up a genocide.

I think you've already made that clear.

I will not tolerate the rise of blatant antisemitism in my home country.

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:46

I will not apologise for hating the killing of innocent children and civilians at scale. I will not apologise for being opposed to the deliberate starving of a civilian population. I will not apologise for being tired of people on this board attempting to justify and cover up a genocide.

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dairydebris · 04/09/2025 13:43

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:36

Keep congratulating each other for minimising the horror of what is being wreaked in Gaza

None of us are minimizing the horror. Use your noddle. We're aware of the horror, we watch the news, we read, we think, we imagine, we cry, we hold our kids tighter. We just differ on where blame and responsibility lies and on the way forward. You don't want a discussion. You just want a list of hateful points and a validating chorus. This might not be the place for it.

dairydebris · 04/09/2025 13:39

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Beachtastic · 04/09/2025 13:39

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:36

Keep congratulating each other for minimising the horror of what is being wreaked in Gaza

Well, it makes a change from minimising the horror of what was wreaked in "Isreal" 🤷🏻‍♀️

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:36

Keep congratulating each other for minimising the horror of what is being wreaked in Gaza

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Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:34

The Canadian doctor’s heart sank. These were not the first children treated by Alvi who she was told were targeted by Israeli soldiers, and she knew the damage a single high-calibre bullet could do to a fragile young body.
“They were not able to talk, paraplegic. They were literally lying down as vegetables on those beds. They were not the only ones. I saw even small children with direct sniper shot wounds to the head as well as in the chest. They were not combatants, they were small children,” said Alvi.

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SharonEllis · 04/09/2025 13:33

@dairydebris @Beachtastic very well put, thank you.

Everexpanding · 04/09/2025 13:32

Children are often victims in war but not usually deliberately targeted by snipers

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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