Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

'An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.' The leading genocide scholars' association....As i understand it, until extremely recently, the only qualification one needed to belong to this was the ability to pay a joining fee!

What deleted post? Getting your OPs mixed up?

I want this genocide to stop. Every day more Palestinians are being bombed , burnt, sniped at and starved. Women, the elderly and children. Non combatants. It is utterly horrific.

I didn't see the deleted post, must have been juicy!

No one wants to see women and children suffer in wartime. I've said I wished there was a magic sieve to safely extract the innocents from Gaza. Hamas, unfortunately, ensures the opposite. And they are evil people who I very much want dead. (Don't you? There seems to be a lot of support for these "freedom fighters" on this thread.)

The #bekind option of somehow locating and removing the terrorists with kid gloves, as proposed earlier, is made impossible by the fact that Hamas ensures no one can tell the difference between them and civilians, and complicated by the fact that civilian mobs helped to carry out the attacks that declared war on Israel.

But it also calls into question the validity of laws being applicable here that were designed for conventional military combat where armies fight each other. Maybe the legal experts will come up with something that is fair for a conflict with terrorists who fluidly shapeshift into civilians, and vice versa.

Hiding among civilians doesn’t make mass deaths lawful- Israel is still legally required to protect innocent lives, and tens of thousands of children killed shows that hasn’t happened.

You know, it is possible that more than two things can be true at once.
Hamas are an evil terrorist organisation who wants to destroy Isreal.
Israel is committing a genocide.

I'm not sure why people are arguing these as if they contradict each other.

This isn't an action film with goodies and baddies.

I didn't see the deleted post, must have been juicy!

No one wants to see women and children suffer in wartime. I've said I wished there was a magic sieve to safely extract the innocents from Gaza. Hamas, unfortunately, ensures the opposite. And they are evil people who I very much want dead. (Don't you? There seems to be a lot of support for these "freedom fighters" on this thread.)

The #bekind option of somehow locating and removing the terrorists with kid gloves, as proposed earlier, is made impossible by the fact that Hamas ensures no one can tell the difference between them and civilians, and complicated by the fact that civilian mobs helped to carry out the attacks that declared war on Israel.

You know, it is possible that more than two things can be true at once.
Hamas are an evil terrorist organisation who wants to destroy Isreal.
Israel is committing a genocide.

I'm not sure why people are arguing these as if they contradict each other.

This isn't an action film with goodies and baddies.

”Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide.’

Over 60,000 people have died, mostly women and elderly people and HALF of whom are children.

It is to chilling to find on mumsnet people who are unable to express compassion for the massacred Palestinians.

I think the question re capturing and trialling terrorists is fair. It’s similar, in a way, to my disgust at terror suspects being tortured: there are processes we stick to re our treatment of people. There are awful, violent criminals in the UK who we don’t torture for info or kill for their actions and I think that should always be our approach to people regardless of where they come from. BUT, Hamas escalated the conflict on 7/10 and that means that they have to accept the consequences (military push back from Israel). War means people die. Israel couldn’t have peacefully gone into Gaza and rounded everyone up for trial. A fight was inevitable. The reason Israel went into Gaza isn’t ‘unfair’ or unnecessary.

“Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.” Hamas fit this definition exactly. For 7/10 and for violence/rhetoric before this. I think questioning whether there are terrorists in Gaza is absurd.

It’s totally fair to question who is and isn’t a terrorists in Gaza and to question Israel’s approach to getting rid of Hamas members. It’s also fair to criticise Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and the WB. It’s also fair (and important) to question why radical Islam could embed in Gaza and to assess the relationship between the two places in the decade before 7/10.

Perhaps you were posing those questions for a reason and you can clarify what you meant or the point you were trying make @hkathy

I wonder if this poster was musing on whether one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter? I don’t agree by the way, before I get jumped on - in my book Hamas is a disgusting terrorist organisation - but I wonder (hope?) if it was just badly worded and coming from a philosophical stance! I guess only the poster can answer that though.

Its appalling. Utterly disgraceful gaslighting. Questioning whether Hamas are fucking terrorists at all.

What did I just read????????

Yes, let them eat cake.

Oh, no evidence at all.

I'm guessing one of your slogans is "but Israel are the real terrorists"?

This utter gaslighting of the Jewish people following the most genocidal massacre since the Holocaust is absolutely repugnant.

It deserves to be reported, but it also deserves to stay visible as a prime example of the noxious infuence of Hamas propaganda on (young?? are you young|???) hearts and minds.

So come on all of you who claim that you do actually care about Palestinian women and children, lets see some condemnation of their deliberate starvation, of Israel’s breaches of international law, of genocide.

no one here has condoned Hamas’s actions, plenty have excused Israel’s

I don’t think @hkathy is showing support for a terrorist organisation she is raising a valid point about how the rule of law is being thrown out the window as soon as someone is labelled a terrorist, and just who controls who is designated a terrorist. With the rise in the use of drones for extrajudicial killings and also the use of AI as in Gaza these are pertinent points. We are becoming used to the rule of law being disregarded, Guantanamo Bay breached human rights law. Obama’s use of drones for extrajudicial assassinations breached human rights law. We are being conditioned to accept these things. I am no fan of fundamentalists of any persuasion but I cannot just go out and kill them but governments are doing this