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Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:10

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

They are in this situation though? There's no point talking about "what ifs" ... The reality is that they are in this situation so it would be safer for them to evacuate (if they want to) than stay where they are.

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 14:08

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:04

Hopefully Netanyahu will respond to the ceasefire agreement of Israels terms agreed by Hamas nearly two weeks ago.

They won't unless Hamas also agree to disarm and leave Gaza.

Martymcfly24 · 31/08/2025 14:04

Hopefully Netanyahu will respond to the ceasefire agreement of Israels terms agreed by Hamas nearly two weeks ago.

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:59

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

Lets hope Hamas surrenders this week. I'm sure we can all agree on that? Right?

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:53

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:35

But yet you don't think they should have been evacuated?

I do not think this, I think they should not be in a situation where they need to be evacuated a different thing entirely

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TooBigForMyBoots · 31/08/2025 13:52

Why is the population of Gaza starving?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:51

Axa insurance rather

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ScrollingLeaves · 31/08/2025 13:51

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:08

This disgusting argument that blames Palestinians for their own suffering through having the temerity to have sex, has already been discussed and dismantled on this thread, please do not post if that is what you have to add

In the first half of 2025, only 17,000 births were recorded, according to Gazan health authorities, representing a 41 per cent decline in Gaza’s birth rate over the past three years, the agency said.
From this article:
‘Catastrophic birth outcomes’ in Gaza threaten a whole generation, warns UN agency.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165471

UNWRA traditionally provided birth control. As the infrastructure is shattered this will be very difficult.

‘Catastrophic birth outcomes’ in Gaza threaten a whole generation, warns UN agency

Pregnant women and newborns in Gaza face “catastrophic” conditions, including a dysfunctional healthcare system, psychological stress and food deprivation, the UN reproductive health agency UNFPA reported on Wednesday. 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165471

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:46

Thanks @Anyahyacinth , I asked my pharmacist not to give me any Teva products, luckily have already giant never ending tub of sudocrem as won’t be buying that either, my entire extended family is moving from Allianz as an insurance provider also

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PurpleSocks37 · 31/08/2025 13:43

Anyahyacinth · 31/08/2025 13:37

I read birth defects from the weapons used are already starting to show.

To those asking why get pregnant...where do you get your birth control from in a war zone? Or any other medications? It's terrifying. A war zone where health facilities have been priority targets.

Al jazeera UK Freeview channel 251, No Thanks app to boycott those sponsoring this slaughter. Sudocrem an Israeli brand from Teva (check medicines), sodastream, coca cola, Cadbury, Costa etc etc...changing our spending is a principled choice that will change things.

Israeli population aren't guilty of what their government are doing, why to boycott those companies? Also Cadbury is british and coca cola is American...

Anyahyacinth · 31/08/2025 13:37

I read birth defects from the weapons used are already starting to show.

To those asking why get pregnant...where do you get your birth control from in a war zone? Or any other medications? It's terrifying. A war zone where health facilities have been priority targets.

Al jazeera UK Freeview channel 251, No Thanks app to boycott those sponsoring this slaughter. Sudocrem an Israeli brand from Teva (check medicines), sodastream, coca cola, Cadbury, Costa etc etc...changing our spending is a principled choice that will change things.

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:35

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:33

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that this situation did not begin on October 7th, the civilian population are not responsible for the actions of Hamas and do not deserve being bombed and displaced for nearly two years and more recently starved

But yet you don't think they should have been evacuated?

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:33

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that this situation did not begin on October 7th, the civilian population are not responsible for the actions of Hamas and do not deserve being bombed and displaced for nearly two years and more recently starved

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SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:32

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:14

I would like to see a worldwide women’s strike for the women of Gaza. Just so terrible that nothing is being done

I think there is one already. Every thursday I believe.

Twiglets1 · 31/08/2025 13:31

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:26

Its strange isn't. I understand the politics, of course but the path to peace, and a more likely return, would surely be strengthened by wanting the evacuation of the vulnerable, leaving behind Hamas to be destroyed.

Yes if women and their children could have been offered the chance to evacuate if they wanted to, there would have been far fewer deaths.

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:30

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:08

This disgusting argument that blames Palestinians for their own suffering through having the temerity to have sex, has already been discussed and dismantled on this thread, please do not post if that is what you have to add

It hasn't been dismatled. You just called everyone racist!

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:29

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:04

I think Ukrainians have also expressed that they do not wish to lose any Ukrainian land to Russia and Putin is being rightly sanctioned for his aggression. Ukranians were able to flee Palestinians are trapped as the borders are closed on all sides so they are trapped like fish in a barrel. This is not their fault the blame as in Ukraine lies with the state dropping bombs on their territory

No the situations are not equivalent. Ukraine was invaded by Russia entirely unprovked. Ukraine's main concern the protecting its civilians, so it evacuated 1000s of them. Hamas instigated this war with an attack on Israel and has gone out of its way to put its civilians in harm's way.

SharonEllis · 31/08/2025 13:26

Lolapusht · 31/08/2025 12:53

So Ukrainians should have stayed put?

You actively want civilians in the line of fire in a very small active war zone?

Interesting…

Its strange isn't. I understand the politics, of course but the path to peace, and a more likely return, would surely be strengthened by wanting the evacuation of the vulnerable, leaving behind Hamas to be destroyed.

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:14

I would like to see a worldwide women’s strike for the women of Gaza. Just so terrible that nothing is being done

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Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:08

Nearly50omg · 31/08/2025 13:00

Then sex should Be the last thing they’d want if they are starving to death🤷‍♀️ surely as adults they know the consequences and they usually have other children so are already seeing them struggling for food etc!

This disgusting argument that blames Palestinians for their own suffering through having the temerity to have sex, has already been discussed and dismantled on this thread, please do not post if that is what you have to add

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Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 13:04

I think Ukrainians have also expressed that they do not wish to lose any Ukrainian land to Russia and Putin is being rightly sanctioned for his aggression. Ukranians were able to flee Palestinians are trapped as the borders are closed on all sides so they are trapped like fish in a barrel. This is not their fault the blame as in Ukraine lies with the state dropping bombs on their territory

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Nearly50omg · 31/08/2025 13:00

MNBlip · 30/08/2025 13:50

They are being starved to death I highly doubt contraception is readily available.

Then sex should Be the last thing they’d want if they are starving to death🤷‍♀️ surely as adults they know the consequences and they usually have other children so are already seeing them struggling for food etc!

Lolapusht · 31/08/2025 12:53

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 12:50

Palestinians should not be being displaced from their own land

So Ukrainians should have stayed put?

You actively want civilians in the line of fire in a very small active war zone?

Interesting…

Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 12:50

Lolapusht · 31/08/2025 12:34

Variety of reasons, but primarily because of past history of Palestinians causing civil unrest when they’re in other countries (see Black September, Lebanon, Kuwait). There’s also the view that if the civilian population is evacuated then they won’t be allowed back which the Arab states don’t want so they have to stay put.

It’s entirely possible for a large number of civilians to be evacuated…just see Ukraine. It’s yet another peculiarity with Palestine that the preferred options is to force millions of civilians to remain in an active war zone for political reasons.

Hamas also doesn’t want them to leave as then they lose their human shields. Through the warm Israel has been informing the civilians where they’re going to be operating and Hamas have been telling the people to stay put. They use the movement of their own people as a defensive strategy.

Palestinians should not be being displaced from their own land

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Everexpanding · 31/08/2025 12:49

GladioliGreen · 31/08/2025 12:31

Yes i think it is incredibly important that we keep putting pressure on politicians to respond to this. I'm in the EU and have been writing to meps on this. Israel are in breach of our trade agreements and are the recipients of billions in funding from the EU. This needs to stop until they can begin acting in line with the values of the EU.

This situation reached crisis point a long time ago, Israel are moving forward with their plan to push the population south and this plan involves stopping aid to Northern Gaza in an attempt to starve people including pregnant women and children from their homes. It needs to end now.

Thanks @GladioliGreen i think sanctions are the only way this will end but progress is glacial and more innocent civilians are being killed every day.

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