IDF bombs Nasser hospital and then bombs the rescue worker a second time.

Even insightful

During campaigns of genocide and ethnic cleansing, disinformation is a potent weapon—a tool to dehumanize victims, justify mass violence, and most importantly, sow seeds of doubt designed to muzzle calls for intervention. When information is weaponized, confusion and doubt no longer emerge from the “fog of war” as a symptom, but are purposefully cultivated with the explicit intention of creating it.
At the time of writing, Israeli forces have killed over 30,000 Palestinians across Gaza and the West Bank since October 2023. They have targeted hospitals, schools, and civilians fleeing their homes. Israel’s assault is marked not only by the historic scale of violence being inflicted upon Palestinians, but by the unprecedented flood of disinformation being deployed to justify it.”
from the attached article a very inciteful read into the type of disinformation being spread on this site
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/hasbara-a-long-running-strategy/

So, the victims of this horrific attack were innocent after all. Surprise, surprise. Shame on all of those here who bend over backwards to justify their murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/un-told-israeli-strike-on-gaza-hospital-was-premeditated-as-sky-news-uncovers-new-details-about-the-attack-13418777

Evidence seems to be pointing to the 'camera' being one used to livestream by Reuters. Of the 6 individuals named as militants, 5 Sky couldn't find evidence of terrorist/militant/Hamas involvement, and the 6th, who did have connections to Hamas or similar, was killed the day before, not in this strike.

And people wonder why the IDF are considered unreliable with the truth...

Don’t try and normalise what Israel is doing here. This is not about the IDF lying about an incident. This is yet another case that seems to confirm that civilians are being targeted. So the Israeli government are lying about what they are actually doing in Gaza and that’s an entirely different thing to individuals in the IDF lying. They say they are fighting to destroy Hamas but it seems to be the case that they are trying to destroy the Palestinians themselves.

Maybe... but @Kakeandkake wanted to know where the figure of 10 came from so I was obliging by telling them.

That’s a completely biased source

This is where the figure of 10 came from, which we don't yet know whether to be true or not:

Channel 12, citing military sources, reported that 18 people were killed in total, including 10 Hamas operatives, though the IDF has so far confirmed only six.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-widens-nasser-hospital-probe-amid-questions-over-tank-shelling-authorization

My anger isn't a problem. It's a normal human response to violence like this.

I'd leave you to your denial, but you're the one who wants to discuss it here.

Again, and for the last time, neither you nor I know the full truth behind what's happened.
The IDF lie, as all armies do. The terrorists lie, as all terrorists do. The truth will maybe come out, maybe not. Maybe the truth will be known ever to only a few select people- maybe most of us will never know.

My point remains that all those people would still be alive if Hamas had met conditions and surrendered.

I'll leave you to your righteous anger now. I hope you enjoy it. I think you might.

I listened to what the IDF said.
First it was an accident.
Then it was deliberate, because of the camera, but the wrong missiles might have been used.
Then it was so they could kill Hamas members dressed up as journalists.

The IDF and Israeli government are throwing out lie after lie. You pick one and believe it, if that makes you feel better but it's still a war crime.

This is very unfair and unpleasant, we are all going on the masses of online often contradictory reporting. No one is knowingly 'making up stories'.

I didn't see any misinformation from Twiglets? I haven't read every single post on this forum though... and that poster has always seemed reasonable to me, perhaps you should raise it with them rather than this tattle tale, we're all adults. 🙄

In any case, my call was for balance in viewing the situation in Israel / Palestine. I suppose its too much to ask for balance in posts on here.

What story have I made up?

And won't point out 'misinformation' when it's someone who is pro Israel making up stories not even backed by the IDF about what happened. So balanced.

Do you have full access to Israeli intelligence?

Because I don't. There has been previous hospital strikes without their very own threads on here that have at later dates have been found to have killed senior members of Hamas. I'll link to a BBC thread below.

Israel target Hamas members wherever they can. International law allows for hospitals to become targets under certain conditions. Neither you nor I have access to full information.

It remains the case that had this Hamas nutjob surrendered along with his murder buddies at any time in the last months the war could have been over. And many people could still be with their loved ones.

No one here on these threads wants to see hospitals bombed. The balance comes in when considering why this war is still continuing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3y046q91no

You're clutching at straws. Not providing balance @dairydebris.

Is "they had a suspicious camera" enough reason?

How is the destruction of a camera regardless of the loss of life, loss of infrastructure and risk of war crimes, balance?

Both sides have and probably will continue to commit war crimes. Both sides can explain why they have acted but, in my option, neither side can justify their actions. They’re a crime for a reason. So I don’t think Hamas should hide out in hospitals and purposefully put civilians in harm way and I don’t think that tactic gives Israel a green card to target hospitals.