IDF bombs Nasser hospital and then bombs the rescue worker a second time.

You clearly stated that hamas run the hospitals, again you know that Doctors and other healthcare staff have refuted those sorts allegations, again I will ask you why you think you know better than them? Can you answer that?

But what I don’t understand is why there was so much collateral damage. They say it was to take out the camera. Two bombs were used to take out this tactical threat. Lots of people were caught up in the bomb - it killed 4 health workers, 5 journalists and who knows how many innocent people. The IDF have named 6 terrorists also killed in the attack (not targets, just ‘good’ collateral damage).

So, my questions are why two bombs for a camera? The attached photo is an Israeli strike of an Iranian official who was asleep in bed. Scarily precise. Even the windows nearby are intact. They chose to be targeted then. Why not use similar tactics for a camera in Gaza? Why see a threat on a hospital and not take every possible step to reduce civilian death/injury?

If the strike was against people attacking them, I understand that war can be messy. By this threat was ‘neutral’ in that it was fixed and able to be targeted. I appreciate you don’t have the answers to this but I cannot get the skill of the Israeli army out of my head and I don’t understand why that same precision wasn’t deployed on a camera.

My second question is re the 6 men killed. Alleged Hamas members - potentially a win for the IDF. But I wonder how they have those names and details of their deaths from an area they are not active in. Maybe drones? So, if they do have details of all the people the strike killed, why do they not have some idea of the civilian cost of this war. They tell us (fairly) that the Hamas figures are totally wrong. So why not share the actual count and reshape the narrative.

For me, the 6 Hamas members the IDF listed don’t explain away this strike because they weren’t the target. They don’t excuse the tactics or make the other deaths acceptable. I don’t understand why such a destructive force would be used against a camera when they have shown such skill in minimising collateral damage.

How would medical staff working in a hospital know better than the IDF why they were targeting that surveillance camera?

And why would the staff be British and American if all the foreign doctors were ordered to leave before the strike as posted by @Martymcfly24

It's irrelevant whether there was a camera.
The presence of a camera does not justify killing 20 people.

It's an overreaction on an extreme level and tells us everything we need to know about how little the IDF care about civilians. How expendable Palestinian lives are.

Then the double tap being blamed on a rifle scope. Again, it's dispropritate to bond somewhere because of this. Use a sniper to shoot someone behind the gun, sure. Send in troops yourself, fair enough. Bomb the entire building - callous disregard for human life.

That's if these excuses are even real. Pathetic.

Medical staff including many British and Americans have totally refuted the claims you are making here, how would you know better than them? Have you worked in a Gaza hospital? And there is never justification for bombing hospitals anyway.

Hamas deliberately use hospitals for their activities though don't they? Blood shed as a result is all good propaganda to them (as evidenced by comments on this thread).

And hospitals have no ability to tell Hamas not to do it because Hamas run the hospitals.

I think it's very likely that the foreign doctors were asked to leave because the IDF were planning a drone strike on the Hamas surveillance camera.

According to the IDF statement, the "double tap" happened because shortly after the drone strike, troops spotted what they thought was a rifle scope, assessed it as an immediate threat, and urgently sought approval to fire.

This is currently the subject of a wider investigation because Hebrew media later reported that IDF Southern Command had only authorized a drone strike on the Hamas surveillance camera but did not approve the use of tank shells that ultimately caused the deaths, including those of several journalists.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5399464-idf-widens-nasser-hospital-probe-amid-questions-over-who-approved-tank-fire

'It wasn't just "because of a camera" though was it? From the source you linked, it was a camera that was positioned by Hamas in the hospital that was being used to observe the activity of IDF troops, in order to direct terrorist activity against them.'

Exactly. Nothing to see here just some 'journalists' <not hamas collaborators> taking scenic snaps or fun selfies maybe? 'Just a camera' indeed.

Hospitals need to tell these people to set up their surveillance units away from civilians.

It wasn't just "because of a camera" though was it?

From the source you linked, it was a camera that was positioned by Hamas in the hospital that was being used to observe the activity of IDF troops, in order to direct terrorist activity against them.

The statement from the IDF then provides names and photos of 6 Hamas terrorists who were eliminated during the strike on Nasser hospital, including one who took part in the October 7th massacre.

More details given in this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5399464-idf-widens-nasser-hospital-probe-amid-questions-over-who-approved-tank-fire

You can't be too careful with those Hamas cameras. They might catch you bombing a hospital.

I saw that. Very obvious he didn't know.

Support for Israels military action in the US has fallen to 32% and Trump is all about the numbers.

The IDF is spinning (yet another) tale and again! T@hey insult anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

Why? Likely because Trump said he is "not happy about it" during a press conference at the White House on Monday.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-865283

The Israeli government has got to keep Trump on side. Trump is currently losing significant support from his base due to his unfulfilled promises (including unlimited support of Israel). So it's all about self preservation......

Bullshit.

Why did they order foreign doctors to leave before the strike?
Why was there a double tap strike (illegal under the Geneva Convention) if it was just to hit a camera surely the first one would have taken it out?
Why was it a tragic mistake yesterday but today there's a reason and the case is closed.

It’s actually just embarrassing for them at this point.

Oh, well, seems they are now saying this was necessary because of a camera. Which ... the camera was Hamas, of course (it wasn't; it belonged to a Reuters correspondent from what I understand - but even if: they killed 20 people for ... a camera!):

https://x.com/IDF/status/1960364428786057545?t=in44EofBk9J-tUFBdQi2TA&s=19

The problem is that Israel doesn’t see any journalists being killed, doesn’t see any innocent civilians being targeted, doesn’t see any women and children in hospitals being bombed and doesn’t see 60.000 people left dead because all Israel sees is themselves as victims. Nobody believes you anymore Israel. We see you.

Oh I agree completely @PinkBobby . My point was this was the video that a pp used to discredit the journalist based on an account like the one shown. From viewing the video I could see words like invaded etc when it was two men strolling through a silent area were once again completely hyperbolic.

The account is completely and utterly biased.

Yes, Israel propped up Hamas before 7/10.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-reportedly-warned-twice-that-qatari-cash-was-funding-hamas-military-wing

Now he's directly financing and resourcing rival armed gangs. If Gaza survives, in 25 years time, this will likely be the new Hamas, full of angry young men, with nothing to live for, who lost much of their family in this war.

It’s just unbelievable at this point.

Journalists. Doctors. Aid workers. Paramedics. They’re killing the people who have a front row seat to the genocide, so that the truth doesn’t come out

It reeks of we are really sorry we got caught on camera, again.

www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-arming-criminal-gangs-in-gaza-former-defense-minister/

Thank you - I think I’ll wait for better verification. Only because that account has videos of people spitting on Palestinian flags and throwing items at peaceful protesters - not my go to for actual news!