It's not about genocide but about winning

Exactly! Hamas surrendering seems the logical thing to do and let the courts decide after the war if war crimes were committed and by whom and if what happened should be classified as a war or genocide by the world.

Israels actions in one part of Palestine are of course relevant to its actions in another - it informs of intent which is key to determining genocide.

Yes Hamas does appear to have a lot of support from the general Gazan population - based on the celebrations after 7/10 and the fact no Gazans have revealed the whereabouts of the hostages.

But - Hamas was voted into power a long time ago (2006) so many Gazans are too young to have voted them into power.

We can't know how many Gazans do support Hamas (& some may just be terrified not to appear to support them). So I prefer to work on the assumption that there are lots of innocent Gazans who don't want to see all Jews in Israel killed, even though their leaders do.

How should I know what's going to happen to Palestinians if/when the West Bank is annexed?

I don't know anything about that, I came on this thread to make a comment on the topic of @Mikkymik 's thread, not to debate your opinions about something else.

So whats going to happen to Palestinians when West Bank is annexed?

Its a slow genocide in my opinion.

Its a long-term intentional, systematic, State-
organized forced displacement and replacement of the Palestinians.

Its not focused on peace and security of Israelis but the occupation and domination of all of historical Palestine that robs Palestinians of their dignity and freedom. Im not a genocide expert so maybe im wrong about it being classed as a genocide.

But to pretend this is all on Hamas and not about the expansionist aims of Israel is disingenuous.

I'd just really like it if kids could have food and medical care. If Israel are preventing sufficient food and aid from entering Gaza because they want to defeat Hamas, because they want to ethnically cleanse the region or because Netanyahu has a hard on for 'Greater Israel' I really don't care at this point. I just want to see the International community come together and make sure that this collective punishment of children ends.

The courts will decide in years to come whether or not what Israel are partaking in is genocide and I am happy to let them do that.

Tulip just seems obsessed by the West Bank and shoehorns it into other discussions when she could just start her own thread about it.

Is there a genocide in the West Bank? Not as far as I'm aware.

Anyone?

Isn't the annexation of the West Bank in direct contradiction with the premise of this thread?

Interesting opinion. Not a perspective I would agree with but there you go.

Some people prefer to take the view of more unbiased sources than the UN which is known to have an anti Israel bias. Different organisations believe different things.

For example the UK government does not currently classify what is happening in Gaza as a genocide. In May 2025, it claimed in court that it had not seen evidence of genocide in Gaza and to date, has not changed it's position on this.

Personally, I trust the UK government more than the UN (or internet commentators) on this. I will believe there is a genocide in Gaza when they say they have seen enough evidence to classify it as such.

“They started this futile war “ omg tell me you know nothing about the history of this conflict without telling me you know nothing about the history of this conflict. The UN has called it a genocide, I think everyone should listen to the experts there instead of uneducated internet commentators

🤔 Historically Israel is the aggressor especially with their settlement policies. That's been going on since the 1950's... Hamas came onto the scene in the 80's.
Israel wants land for settlements, the Gaza strip is actually very valuable in that respect. I don't think the end goal is living peaceful with their Palestinian neighbours at all.

I mainly agree with you but think that you use the word "Gaza" when what you surely mean is Hamas.

Hamas have to be surrender and be disarmed. And their leaders/militants have to leave Gaza.

No rebuilding Gaza for DaniellaWeiss and her followers?

And what about what is happening in the West Bank? Pushing out of a people from their land while state sanctioned terrorists steal it, harrass or kill the Palestinians?

Isreal doesn’t think what you describe is possible long term though, I don’t think (eg the West Bank)

So I do think genocide is in their game plan, as a means to an end

Please explain the West Bank?

How can Gaza be disarmed when Netenyahu is arming Gazan jihadists?