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Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

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Twiglets1 · 24/08/2025 07:09

Hamas’s embrace of “death culture” is beyond comprehension for much of the world, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the eldest son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the founder of the terrorist group, told JNS on Tuesday.

“It is not just the West, it’s also the East. It is beyond understanding that some people are willing to sacrifice human life for political gains, or worse for financial gains. I am a living example of this. My father had to choose between his eldest son and the cause and he chose the cause,” said Yousef.

“There is no parent in the world that would go into a fight that would put their own children in harm’s way. Hamas did the opposite. They went and dragged Israel in the most brutal fight of our time, knowing children would pay the price. This shows you their hypocrisy,” he continued.

“It’s the same game with pro-Palestinians worldwide. Everybody cries for the children on one hand, and on the other they are pushing Palestinian indoctrination which leads to the death of children. And then when children die, they blame Israel,” he added.

www.jns.org/hamas-death-culture-beyond-comprehension-says-founders-son/

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HolidayInCambodia25 · 27/08/2025 22:16

That man requires a great deal more air time.

Beachtastic · 27/08/2025 22:02

TruckDiver · 27/08/2025 22:01

I didn't say Hamas weren't a problem. I said they're not the essential problem.

Tell us you're not Israeli without telling us you're not Israeli 😜

TruckDiver · 27/08/2025 22:01

Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 10:43

There are lots of problems and Hamas are certainly a big one even if the Israel government are also guilty of creating many other problems.

Balance is a good thing.

I didn't say Hamas weren't a problem. I said they're not the essential problem.

allusernamesaretakennow · 27/08/2025 13:02

Newbutoldfather · 27/08/2025 10:13

There is zero moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Hamas would literally kill every Jew in the world (including me!) were they able to.

Israel is a (now flawed) liberal democracy, who have acted with decency over 80 years of being attacked.

Having said all the above, we shouldn’t give Israel a free pass. I think many want to, as they have been a good friend and ally for so long and this applies particularly to the Jewish diaspora.

But Ben G’vir and Smotrich are admitted racists and are in government. Some of the phrases they have uttered wouldn’t seem out of place coming from Hamas (in the opposite direction, obviously).
But Netanyahu, although cynical and self serving, doesn’t support their views and has said as much.

However, civilians are civilians, and they have rights in international law. If Israel is committing war crimes, and it seems they are, those responsible should to be brought to justice.

Having said that, they won’t be, because power is also power, and always has been. And the U.S current has it (along with China, who will happily use Trump’s backing for Israel annexing Gaza to annex Taiwan).

It is a really sad situation and has polarised so many people.

True.

When Hamas finally crawl off somewhere and allow the innocent people of Gaza to elect a new government and rebuild, then Israel need a new government and both 'sides' need a peace agreement. A peace agreement that addresses all the various issues to attempt to keep peace in the area. With Hamas around still clinging onto their money/power/control etc that will not happen.

Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 10:43

TruckDiver · 27/08/2025 10:33

Why don't people all suggest Hamas fuck off out of Gaza? Why don't they castigate them?

I can only speak for myself, but for me it's because they are not the essential problem, and demands to castigate them are usually made by people seeking to avoid addressing the essential problem.

The essential problem is that Gaza is under an illegal occupation and the Palestinians are being denied their right to national self-determination.

There are lots of problems and Hamas are certainly a big one even if the Israel government are also guilty of creating many other problems.

Balance is a good thing.

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Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 10:40

Newbutoldfather · 27/08/2025 10:13

There is zero moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Hamas would literally kill every Jew in the world (including me!) were they able to.

Israel is a (now flawed) liberal democracy, who have acted with decency over 80 years of being attacked.

Having said all the above, we shouldn’t give Israel a free pass. I think many want to, as they have been a good friend and ally for so long and this applies particularly to the Jewish diaspora.

But Ben G’vir and Smotrich are admitted racists and are in government. Some of the phrases they have uttered wouldn’t seem out of place coming from Hamas (in the opposite direction, obviously).
But Netanyahu, although cynical and self serving, doesn’t support their views and has said as much.

However, civilians are civilians, and they have rights in international law. If Israel is committing war crimes, and it seems they are, those responsible should to be brought to justice.

Having said that, they won’t be, because power is also power, and always has been. And the U.S current has it (along with China, who will happily use Trump’s backing for Israel annexing Gaza to annex Taiwan).

It is a really sad situation and has polarised so many people.

Agreed.

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Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 10:40

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Co- existence is what Israel & Gaza were doing in the period before 7/10. They weren’t fighting in the sense of a war.

I didn’t call you pro Hamas so don’t make stuff up it’s boring having to keep correcting people.

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Beachtastic · 27/08/2025 10:35

TruckDiver · 27/08/2025 10:33

Why don't people all suggest Hamas fuck off out of Gaza? Why don't they castigate them?

I can only speak for myself, but for me it's because they are not the essential problem, and demands to castigate them are usually made by people seeking to avoid addressing the essential problem.

The essential problem is that Gaza is under an illegal occupation and the Palestinians are being denied their right to national self-determination.

To be fair, that's not the ONLY "essential problem" - I can think of a few more... 🤔

TruckDiver · 27/08/2025 10:33

Why don't people all suggest Hamas fuck off out of Gaza? Why don't they castigate them?

I can only speak for myself, but for me it's because they are not the essential problem, and demands to castigate them are usually made by people seeking to avoid addressing the essential problem.

The essential problem is that Gaza is under an illegal occupation and the Palestinians are being denied their right to national self-determination.

Newbutoldfather · 27/08/2025 10:13

There is zero moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Hamas would literally kill every Jew in the world (including me!) were they able to.

Israel is a (now flawed) liberal democracy, who have acted with decency over 80 years of being attacked.

Having said all the above, we shouldn’t give Israel a free pass. I think many want to, as they have been a good friend and ally for so long and this applies particularly to the Jewish diaspora.

But Ben G’vir and Smotrich are admitted racists and are in government. Some of the phrases they have uttered wouldn’t seem out of place coming from Hamas (in the opposite direction, obviously).
But Netanyahu, although cynical and self serving, doesn’t support their views and has said as much.

However, civilians are civilians, and they have rights in international law. If Israel is committing war crimes, and it seems they are, those responsible should to be brought to justice.

Having said that, they won’t be, because power is also power, and always has been. And the U.S current has it (along with China, who will happily use Trump’s backing for Israel annexing Gaza to annex Taiwan).

It is a really sad situation and has polarised so many people.

TulipLavender · 27/08/2025 09:29

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Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 06:31

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 27/08/2025 06:07

Israel bombed Gaza on four previous occasions between 2008 - 2022.

That is hardly "peaceful coexistence".

Then there is the Israeli treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, something these threads purposely seem to ignore. By September 2023, Israel had killed 38 children in the West Bank.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

I didn’t say “peaceful coexistence” I said “coexistence”.

Hamas equally did violent things towards Israel during times of supposed peace .

This thread is a rare one about Hamas not Israel. Yet you don’t mention them at all?

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PuttingOnTheKitsch · 27/08/2025 06:07

Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 05:25

It’s an attitude as much as anything else… it’s who you blame ultimately for the war. Some pro Pals never like to hear that Hamas are as much to blame for the unhappiness of Gazans as Israel. Even before the war, most were kept in poverty while their leaders built expensive villas ( some abroad) and travelled on private jets - & built that extensive tunnel network under Gaza that no civilians ever benefited from.

And then Hamas triggered a war that they could never hope to win and which has had devastating consequences for Gazans. And even now refuse to surrender and leave Gaza because it’s apparently better for them not to lose face than see Gaza city taken and all those people displaced.

They are a bunch of extremists that Israel tried living alongside but it didn’t work. 7/10 put paid to any idea of co-existence.

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Israel bombed Gaza on four previous occasions between 2008 - 2022.

That is hardly "peaceful coexistence".

Then there is the Israeli treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, something these threads purposely seem to ignore. By September 2023, Israel had killed 38 children in the West Bank.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

Twiglets1 · 27/08/2025 05:25

TulipLavender · 26/08/2025 22:32

How do you even censure Hamas? Most pro-Palestinian posts on here have an explicit comment or reference to not supporting Hamas. What are you expecting Pro-Palestinians to do in relation to Hamas - there is no line of communication. What more than saying we dont support Hamas are you expecting?

You keep talking about an absolute surrender but how would people even communicate such? People have been shot waiving white flags.

It’s an attitude as much as anything else… it’s who you blame ultimately for the war. Some pro Pals never like to hear that Hamas are as much to blame for the unhappiness of Gazans as Israel. Even before the war, most were kept in poverty while their leaders built expensive villas ( some abroad) and travelled on private jets - & built that extensive tunnel network under Gaza that no civilians ever benefited from.

And then Hamas triggered a war that they could never hope to win and which has had devastating consequences for Gazans. And even now refuse to surrender and leave Gaza because it’s apparently better for them not to lose face than see Gaza city taken and all those people displaced.

They are a bunch of extremists that Israel tried living alongside but it didn’t work. 7/10 put paid to any idea of co-existence.

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TulipLavender · 26/08/2025 22:32

EasyTouch · 26/08/2025 13:19

It's very disingenuous to proclaim a lack of understanding as to why people suspect Pro Palestinian as Pro Hamas.
The typical Pro Palestinian claims peace seeking as their activist motivation, yet they do not censure Hamas or collaborative Gazans with as much loudness, prevalence or brio as they do every move of Israel and her diaspora.
The fact that many Pro Palestinians carry on as if there are not two sides in this war and that the losers, for whatever reason appears to think that they are running things and have something to run.
But Gaza is destroyed and Hamas is on its uppers.
But the Pro Palestinians have neither censured Hamas for leading Gazans to their deaths in the tens of thousands, nor for diverting and skimming aid, or for not building nary a bomb shelter for Gazans, or for using Gazans as shields.
And now, no loud cry to surrender unconditionally as Hamas' dereliction of duty and care for the citizens and place it lead is evident.
Instead, the care for Gazans is deflected to Israel by the same Pro Palestinian peace warriors who do a good impression of thinking that Israel ain't shit, but ironically worthy enough to be the engine of palliativity for Gazans, who out the other side of their necks, they claim that Israel have only inveigled to join Hamas in retaliation for bombing Gaza.
You ( general, but if the cap fits....) do not get to finger point and bask in moral superiority whilst not recognising the shaky foundations upon which your position lies.
The root of which most definitely does not seem to be the need for peace in Gaza. The actions of the Pro Palestinians on and offline do not support that assertion.
Hamas started this war. Hamas have lost this was. Yet Hamas will not surrender and uncontionally as losers who start wars are usually made to do.
In the meantime, Israel carries on defending herself and rightly so and Pro Palestinians criticise Israel and finger point , as is their right.
However the lack of censure for Hamas in light of the fact that Gaza is in famine mode and nothing will get better for Gaza whilst Hamas continue carrying on a war that it has lost......I'm not saying that Pro Palestinians are Hamas supporters
But their claims to want peace in Gaza is bullshit, by any up to date measure.
The online arguments do not support that narrative, the marches do not support that.
It takes one side to start a war and one side to lose it.
A war cannot end if the loser does not recognise that they have lost.

The US took too long to recognise this fact in the Vietnam war.
The Japanese army were never going to recognise their reality in WW2 and we know what happened there.
So why not the root and branch call from Pro Pals to tell Hamas to get to fuck as the Gazans are suffering due to the obtuseness of Hamas?
Why the demonisation of Israel, but expectation that she be the gatekeeper of Gazan welfare whilst still defending herself in a war Hamas refuse to lose, but have lost?

Anything but pearl clutching at assertion that I do find the typical WESTERN Pro Palestinian position to be fraudulent at best.

How do you even censure Hamas? Most pro-Palestinian posts on here have an explicit comment or reference to not supporting Hamas. What are you expecting Pro-Palestinians to do in relation to Hamas - there is no line of communication. What more than saying we dont support Hamas are you expecting?

You keep talking about an absolute surrender but how would people even communicate such? People have been shot waiving white flags.

allusernamesaretakennow · 26/08/2025 22:05

EasyTouch · 26/08/2025 13:19

It's very disingenuous to proclaim a lack of understanding as to why people suspect Pro Palestinian as Pro Hamas.
The typical Pro Palestinian claims peace seeking as their activist motivation, yet they do not censure Hamas or collaborative Gazans with as much loudness, prevalence or brio as they do every move of Israel and her diaspora.
The fact that many Pro Palestinians carry on as if there are not two sides in this war and that the losers, for whatever reason appears to think that they are running things and have something to run.
But Gaza is destroyed and Hamas is on its uppers.
But the Pro Palestinians have neither censured Hamas for leading Gazans to their deaths in the tens of thousands, nor for diverting and skimming aid, or for not building nary a bomb shelter for Gazans, or for using Gazans as shields.
And now, no loud cry to surrender unconditionally as Hamas' dereliction of duty and care for the citizens and place it lead is evident.
Instead, the care for Gazans is deflected to Israel by the same Pro Palestinian peace warriors who do a good impression of thinking that Israel ain't shit, but ironically worthy enough to be the engine of palliativity for Gazans, who out the other side of their necks, they claim that Israel have only inveigled to join Hamas in retaliation for bombing Gaza.
You ( general, but if the cap fits....) do not get to finger point and bask in moral superiority whilst not recognising the shaky foundations upon which your position lies.
The root of which most definitely does not seem to be the need for peace in Gaza. The actions of the Pro Palestinians on and offline do not support that assertion.
Hamas started this war. Hamas have lost this was. Yet Hamas will not surrender and uncontionally as losers who start wars are usually made to do.
In the meantime, Israel carries on defending herself and rightly so and Pro Palestinians criticise Israel and finger point , as is their right.
However the lack of censure for Hamas in light of the fact that Gaza is in famine mode and nothing will get better for Gaza whilst Hamas continue carrying on a war that it has lost......I'm not saying that Pro Palestinians are Hamas supporters
But their claims to want peace in Gaza is bullshit, by any up to date measure.
The online arguments do not support that narrative, the marches do not support that.
It takes one side to start a war and one side to lose it.
A war cannot end if the loser does not recognise that they have lost.

The US took too long to recognise this fact in the Vietnam war.
The Japanese army were never going to recognise their reality in WW2 and we know what happened there.
So why not the root and branch call from Pro Pals to tell Hamas to get to fuck as the Gazans are suffering due to the obtuseness of Hamas?
Why the demonisation of Israel, but expectation that she be the gatekeeper of Gazan welfare whilst still defending herself in a war Hamas refuse to lose, but have lost?

Anything but pearl clutching at assertion that I do find the typical WESTERN Pro Palestinian position to be fraudulent at best.

Very good points.

Why don't people all suggest Hamas fuck off out of Gaza? Why don't they castigate them? I wonder if they don't actually blame them for Oct 7th and actually think 'freedom fighter'. Appalling IMO but I think this lies at the root of why so many westerners don't castigate or blame Hamas.

allusernamesaretakennow · 26/08/2025 21:59

The death culture is beyond comprehension to western thinking. This is used against people in the west. The cynical use of the death of children to promote their aims is apparent. It works so they increase it.

Also, the spread of extremist Islamic ideology is a threat to the entire world. The use of cryptocurrency to fund the spread around the world. It's tentacles are spreading throughout Africa. There was a tv programme recently that explored the success of it's spread following ideals that Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood use. The fall in the willingness of the West to intervene and help eradicate from countries with major problems is also helping it spread.

Twiglets1 · 26/08/2025 21:39

PinkBobby · 26/08/2025 21:02

Yes - I agree it is seemingly the easiest way of identifying where you stand! I wasn’t blaming anyone for that labelling (esp as I have no alternatives) but it is something that always makes me pause for thought when I see it.

Sometimes it makes me pause for thought as I type it so I agree it’s a strange terminology but still, it seems the best we can come up with.

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PinkBobby · 26/08/2025 21:02

Twiglets1 · 26/08/2025 18:26

@PinkBobby I agree that it seems strange to classify people on this board as “pro Palestinian” because surely we are nearly all pro Palestinian in terms of wanting the best for innocent civilians in Gaza.

But people who never have one good word to say about Israel still balk at being called “anti Israel” so we can’t use that term. Nor do they like the term pro Hamas because no one admits to that. So it’s a bit hard to know how to describe the other group to those of us who support Israel.

To call people Pro Palestinian is actually the most polite term we can use even if yes, it is a bit strange in some ways.

Yes - I agree it is seemingly the easiest way of identifying where you stand! I wasn’t blaming anyone for that labelling (esp as I have no alternatives) but it is something that always makes me pause for thought when I see it.

SaratogaFilly · 26/08/2025 20:38

AbsoluteYawns · 24/08/2025 07:30

It's possible, in my opinion, that like many Muslims that speak up against hamas there are people that ignore them and discount what they say as it doesn't fit with the louder pro hamas narrative. They can't thought pretzel out of the stark reality of such an evil ideology.
There are many Muslim voices against hamas highlighting the fact they wont just stop with Israel and Jewish people. The ideology is coming for anyone who wants to live differently to them.

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Sadly this is so true.

PinkBobby · 26/08/2025 20:33

Beachtastic · 26/08/2025 18:10

Yes, me too... and that also makes me nervous about blaming Israel for everything, including Hamas, because it just feeds into that warped fundamentalist ideology that poses a threat not just to Israel but also to the Western world.

@PinkBobby I think you talk a lot of sense (and with compassion). I agree of course that Israeli voices can be heard more coherently, but again that says a lot about the tyranny of Hamas rather than Israeli privilege as such. I'm chuffed to bits that you read the AMA thread because it is certainly fascinating and tragic. I wish we were able to hear more Palestinian voices that don't just frame their suffering as Israel's fault entirely, but I doubt that is possible.

I think, conversely and maybe naively, that calling Israel out for their treatment of Palestinians make us less of a target than if we stood with them and turned a blind eye to what’s happening. I also accept that the UK will always be in the sights of Islamic extremists due to our history in the ME, our relationship with the US, and our celebration of diversity in all its forms.

I agree that Hamas play a huge role in silencing Palestinians - for decades in fact. Who knows how many dissenting voices were killed so everyone knew to keep their heads down. The lack of independent journalism in Gaza also silences them and that is on Israel. I think for Palestinians their anger is more easily aimed at Israel because of the scale of the destruction. Flattening most of Gaza, bombs killing civilians, making aid so hard to access, arming humanitarian workers - I appreciate this all circles back to Hamas but if it were me (rightly or wrongly), I’d be angry with the person who dropped a bomb on my family member or the people who blocked the aid coming in.

TruckDiver · 26/08/2025 20:29

dairydebris · 26/08/2025 07:58

This is an interesting point of view that I haven't heard before. Please could you direct me to any reading material that has led you to think the Arab Palestinians wanted one state with Jewish people free to live there with the same legal status as Arabs?

It was my understanding that Arab Palestinians wished for their own state the way so many Arab regional identities got theirs at that time- with the breakup of the former Ottoman empire.

And what about you?
Do you think Israel should exist? Or would you favour a 1SS?

What should have happened in 1947 / 8, in your opinion?

This is an interesting point of view that I haven't heard before. Please could you direct me to any reading material that has led you to think the Arab Palestinians wanted one state with Jewish people free to live there with the same legal status as Arabs?
It was my understanding that Arab Palestinians wished for their own state the way so many Arab regional identities got theirs at that time- with the breakup of the former Ottoman empire.

Palestinians wanted their own state, yes. The majority of the people living in Palestine were muslim Arabs. There were jewish and Christian minorities, under the British mandate as there had been for centuries under the Ottomans. Obviously there was division and resentment caused by the rapid influx of Zionist immigration with a specifically separatist agenda, and the perception that the British administrators favoured those Zionists and facilitated that agenda. But apart from that Palestine was just like most other countries and proto-countries - it had a majority religion/culture and minority ones.

I've never read or heard of any evidence that in the leadup to 1948 the Palestinian Arabs wanted the jewish and Christian minorities ejected from their country, or agitated for a political solution that would be purely Arab/muslim without any minorities, which is what you seem to be suggesting. No I don't have anything to prove they didn't, but I think you've got the burden of proof the wrong way round: in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, surely we should assume they were happy for the ethnic mix of Palestine to continue the way it had always been.

And what about you?
Do you think Israel should exist? Or would you favour a 1SS?
What should have happened in 1947 / 8, in your opinion?

Blimey. One thing I certainly don't think is that I'm in a position to have any say over it. The whole point is that the Palestinians have the right to assert their nationhood and the international community need to start respecting that right. That's obviously going to involve intensive negotiations with Israel, which are almost impossible to conceive of working as things are right now. I'm probably like a lot of people in that I would be happy with ANY solution that means both sides have a workable country and they can stop killing each other.

If I could rewrite history, I would write Zionism out of it and allow Palestine to have developed as its own, singular, multi-ethnic state like the other ex-Ottoman mandates. But that involves looking much further back than 1947/8, and isn't particularly relevant anyway since I can't, and neither can anyone else.

As for what happens now - Israel exists, and I can't see any way that it's going to voluntarily sign up to its own non-existence. So a one state solution seems absolutely impossible, doesn't it?

Practically speaking, the only solution that has any chance of actually happening is two states. And even that seems unlikely for the forseeable future.

Twiglets1 · 26/08/2025 18:26

Aliceisagooddog · 26/08/2025 18:15

Everyone knows this guy is paid by Israel to spread anti palestinian propoganda. Hamas only exist because Israel has brutally colonised the region for 70 years plus.

Everyone does not know that - it is your opinion.

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Twiglets1 · 26/08/2025 18:26

@PinkBobby I agree that it seems strange to classify people on this board as “pro Palestinian” because surely we are nearly all pro Palestinian in terms of wanting the best for innocent civilians in Gaza.

But people who never have one good word to say about Israel still balk at being called “anti Israel” so we can’t use that term. Nor do they like the term pro Hamas because no one admits to that. So it’s a bit hard to know how to describe the other group to those of us who support Israel.

To call people Pro Palestinian is actually the most polite term we can use even if yes, it is a bit strange in some ways.

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Aliceisagooddog · 26/08/2025 18:15

Everyone knows this guy is paid by Israel to spread anti palestinian propoganda. Hamas only exist because Israel has brutally colonised the region for 70 years plus.