Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

I’m asking you to just think logically about the numbers they are giving us and how that’s possible with the data they are providing. I’m not asking for any expertise or experience. Just questioning the info you’re being given by a potentially bias source. I don’t need to look at their X PR - their set up is totally inadequate.

And no, I don’t believe Hamas maths. With the amount of propaganda in this conflict, both Hamas and Israel info has to be questioned. So why not work out how many meals they need to hand out a minute to get to 1.5m a week when they’re open for 11mins (June) or maybe 40mins (July/aug) across 4 hubs.

The main stream negative view of them is not because they disrupted systemic looting by Hamas (that has zero evidence). People are against them for valid reasons:

• militarising aid, putting civilians and workers at risk and setting a terrible precedent for future conflicts
• deciding to work in Gaza even when the UN refused to work with them. Any decent org would put the needs of the people over their start up.
• replacing 400+ hubs with 4
• opening for an average of 11mins a day in July
• opening for an average of just 40 mins in aug
• providing less than one meal a day for less than the whole population when there is starvation
• having zero experience in humanitarian aid (until, as you note JA appeared but not until July. They were given the job with no experience when people needed pros)
• having a chair whose expertise are in PR not aid and backs Trump’s awful Rivera plan
• they replaced an imperfect but fairly good system that actually fed people despite no one finding evidence of systemic looting of aid
• their maths doesn’t add up - providing hundreds of thousands of meals in tiny windows of time.
• making aid dangerous to access/not ensuring aid is easy and safe to access by placing hubs in evacuation zones

I’m sure there are more reasons others may flag but I do not understand why people don’t have an issue with GHF - they aren’t doing a good enough job and people are dying. I’m not condoning violence or aggression towards any member of the org but I will happily criticise them because they are failing and Palestinians deserve better (a comment I’m sure, based on your other posts, you’ll disagree with but some of us don’t think children at the very least should be starved for any potential crimes adults are committing).

You seem to be badgering me to know about something I have already said I know nothing about and am not qualified to answer.

I see no logical reason for the GHF to lie about something they can easily get caught out on. The mainstream view of them is very negative because they are undermining the Hamas aid gravy train so anything to further discredit them would have been used by now.

I’m sure that Tony Aguilar ‘whistleblower’ liar liar pants on fire would have said something if he had anything.

Why not think about why you disbelieve them?

Have you bothered to look at their X feed to see how they have been received by Gazans?

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1962177056806146535

Do you believe Hamas maths btw? If so, ask yourself why.

If the UN has 400 aid hubs why the actual fuck is thousands of tonnes of aid not being distributed instead of rotting in depots inside Gaza? Ask yourself that.

John Acree is who I was referring to.

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1957826051393925467

He’s had death threats painted on the driveway of his home.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864063

No - just do some maths and tell me how it’s physically possible to hand out that much food in that amount of time. Think about what info you’re being given.

The UN had, it turns out, over 400 hubs with longer opening hours. Maths adds up for them.

Are we talking about Trump Advisor Johnnie Moore?

Again GHF has said they don’t want to be identified probably because there will be mass outrage from pro-Palestinians that Palestinians are getting free aid as they should have been all through this war and before!

Crazy, don’t you think?

I don’t know the inner workings of how they operate so efficiently at only 4 sites no. I have no experience in aid distribution myself.

Maybe you could contact them and ask them?

Maybe the UN should too.

The Executive Director of GHF has over 20 years experience in international humanitarian operations though and many of their staff are also experienced humanitarians as well.

Sadly their details can’t be published due to death threats and I think there have been attacks on their homes.

Who are these international government donors funding the GHF?

I’m just asking how that maths adds up - have you actually paused to think about it?

Who said they should be praised? Again, they never stated they could feed the whole population.

They are an addition to the UN. How many people are they feeding a day?

I think the work they are doing is pretty fucking amazing though. With their staff risking their lives, their homes being attacked and their Palestinian workers being murdered and wounded and left for dead by international medical organisations.

In addition to finding a child put at massive risk by one of their former workers trying to smear them with an outrageous lie.

God forbid though, they must be lying with their figures. They just pick them out of thin air, no one checks them I’m sure. The international government donors funding them surely don’t care. They probably spend some time deciding every day by how many hundreds of thousands of meals they’re going to inflate their figures.

Must be taking tips from Hamas.

I don’t think there’s ever been a conflict zone like this. Can you think of one?

I think you mean precedent btw, although no doubt there are terrible Presidents in conflict zones.

So across 3 hubs (I believe they recently closed one so this may be the figures for 4 hubs), they’re handing out 1.5 million meals a day? So 375,000 meals a day from each hub. Now I’m struggling to find much data but I can see that the hubs are open from maybe 10mins to 40mins each day (June/July data). So, in that time they’re handing out 375,000 meals? Even if they’re open for the longer time that’s nearly 9,500 meals a minute. Maybe my brain is just really tired but I’m not sure how that’s possible? Please correct my maths if I’ve missed something.

I’d also like to add that I don’t think a company responsible for aid should be praised for feeding less than the whole population just one meal a day.

The UN refusing to work with them is totally appropriate. Adding armed humanitarian workers to conflict zones is incredibly dangerous for the workers and it increases the risk of civilians being injured (as we’ve seen). It sets a terrible president for future conflict zones.

Maybe you’re misinformed.

If you bother to go on the GHF X feed, you will see they are delivering over a million meals everyday (I only went back to 15th August), and over 1.5 million meals everyday for the last week so 10.5 million meals in a week.

Where did you get that they have replaced or ‘taken over’ from the UN? Did they ever say that? The idea was that they would collaborate.

Gee, I wonder why more aid is being looted now UNWRA is not in charge?

Can you think of reason for that?

The 90% is ‘only’ since May? I think it was 93% in July that’s why I rounded it up, Do you not think 90% of aid being ‘diverted’ for THREE MONTHS may be contributing to the current ‘famine’ in Gaza?

You are a bit misinformed.

GHF delivered 1.5m meals on one day, they are not delivering 1.5m meals per day, every day. They deliver on average 2.5m meals per week, or 1 meal per person per week.

In addition, less than 3% of the aid was being diverted/looted when UNWRA was in charge. Some of that 3% would have been looted by the gangs that Israel hired to loot the aid. Which explains why eyewitnesses had been saying they had seen aid looted while IDF was sitting nearby, watching and doing nothing.

The 87% of aid being diverted/looted figure that you have round up to 90% is only since May 2025- which is when GHF took over from the UN.

This is why you suggesting the UN should “ask GHF and IDF for help” is nonsense.

The UN are the only people who were doing and can do the aid correctly. All Israel needs to do is let the UN do their job and also not pay criminal gangs to loot a small fraction of it.

The solution to looting is to flood the place with aid. There is always looting during famine situations or even food scarcity situations.

The rest of your post is based on lies and misinformation. Although surely even you realise that not even a whole meal a day for a population is going to fend off famine. It is possible for the IDF to facilitate the delivery of this aid. Do you really think that the UK, the EU among others are so stupid that they are asking for something that is impossible.

Do you honestly believe that aid delivery cannot be facilitated? Or do you just not care whether people starve? Perhaps you think it is ok because they are Palestinians and you can’t separate civilians and militants in your mind?

I find it completely baffling that anyone would defend the aid restrictions. I really do. I wouldn’t be able to justify anyone starving to death but It is just so shockingly cold hearted to shrug your shoulders while small babies die for want of milk and pregnant and breastfeeding mothers deal with these disastrous situations.

How though, when 90% of aid is being ‘diverted’ and the UN is unable to distribute the thousands of tonnes of aid sitting in Gaza now, and for months?

How can this unfettered flow of aid be facilitated?

Do you think the UN should ask for assistance from GHF (who are successfully delivering 1.5 million meals a day) and the IDF?

Well the very first thing that needs to happen is that there needs to be an unfettered flow of aid into Gaza. It will come too late for some, but it is obviously the first, very critical step to avert catastrophic starvation and deaths from illness.

Completely agree. There's never (or rarely) no way forward. Humans are resilient. We always focus on the mistakes we make, but rarely the capacity to survive.

I agree as long as BN and his nutjobs are in power. Both him ( mainly cos of his nutjobs ) and Hamas need to go for a way forward.

Israel has the structure to get rid of BN if thats what the people desire. I see the situation Israel is in as similar to Hungary, the US, India etc. Right wing government. Israel not unique in this way.

I dont agree theres no way back from it now. It hasnt happened yet. There is a positive way forward. Stranger things have happened.

The situation requires much more action than one party stepping down. It requires more than Israel even stopping the war. It’s very simplistic to say if Hamas stepped down that everything would end. Gaza is destroyed, the population traumatised. It’s unrealistic to wait for a group of radical fundamentalists to tell their militants to give themselves up. But Even if Hamas disarmed and Israel stepped back, thousands of civilians would still die in the conditions that have been created and there are other armed groups waiting to step into power.

It requires an co-ordinated approach by the Arab League, Israel and Israel’s allies. Something that looks like the New York declaration where there is a proper peaceful path laid out for a Palestinian state.

Unfortunately the US and Israel have absolutely no interest in co-ordinating on this. The plan is ethnic cleansing and that’s it and there looks to be no way back from that now.

Even if this US plan doesn’t come to fruition. I don’t see a positive way forward. The main players aren’t interested- and that’s Qatar, Israel, the US and Hamas.

These are all perfectly reasonable questions: you should send them to Trump’s team as I’m not sure they’ve thought about any of them.

Ultimately, we’ll have to wait and see but I have an awful feeling that what’s planned will lead to more violence, that violence will lead to another war (maybe in the WB), war and collective trauma will keep BN or similar in power and this whole situation will rumble on until the right wing have what they want. I’m not sure how this snowball is stopped at this point because Gaza is so flattened it needs to be rebuilt and I don’t believe America in its current guise is going to ‘give it’ to other Arab nations to rebuild or help rebuild it for the Palestinian people. But I am the resident pessimist!

You could be right, I know.

But there's just so many real, logical problems with it.
Where will Gazans go? The world won't abide images of thousands squished into camps. I know you'll say the world abides it now, but for now its under plausible deniabilty of war.
What would happen in the WB? The violence would surely escalate? More war? Then more displacement of those Palestinians too? Where will they go? Would Egypt / Jordan / Syria accept them? Would they with financial incentives from the profit makers of Gaza Rivera?
Who would even want any part of this tech hub anyway? Under constant threat of violence? Profiting those holding rightful owners of the land? Theres plenty more attractive waterfront elsewhere surely?
And what happens when Democrats / moderate Israeli parties get into power? Will they allow this to continue? Who wpuld invest in such a plan?

Anyway, this amounts to verbal diarrhea... this much to say I can't see it happening. But I know I could be wrong.

By the sounds of things, it’s ’too late’ for the people of Gaza anyway. The US/Israel plans that are being drip fed to us appear to be totally lining up with the hopes of the right wing elements of the Israeli government/disaster capitalism. I think Hamas surrendering now (which, I think realistically, radical Islamist terrorists just aren’t going to do) won’t change the plan to flatten the rest of Gaza and build some version of Dubai … well, that’s how they’ll sell it but it will be on the graves of Palestinians and the ruins of their homes and the Palestinian people who live there will be effectively forced to leave. I imagine at least some of those Palestinians will feel the need to retaliate to what looks scarily like ethnic cleansing and the cycle of terror continues indefinitely. Meanwhile, everyone will focus on the evil of radical islam (fair) but not question why it keeps coming back stronger.

You’d think we’d learn from our ‘successful’ war on terror. The Taliban are ruling Afghanistan and we gained ISIS out of it. But let’s repeat that behaviour and it’ll work out…

Agree. There IS a possible pathway to peace, even though I know its hard to see.

Maybe I'm naive, and I'll accept it on this one occasion- but surely this Kushner / give Palestinians 5k plan can't happen? Surely its another way to apply pressure? Hamas, just fgs let it go and hand over to Fatah, the PA, I know theres huge problems with both, but surely any way to keep Palestinian futures in their own hands, until safer hands come along? Hamas is fucking Gazans over now, and forever more. ( I know Israel is too, but Israel has plausible deniabilty. Hamas has no reason whatsoever to go on. )

I feel like time is running out, but there is a possible pathway.

All of what you say, Hamas knew, and they still started this war. So yes, I do believe its by their design.

Where BN's desire to defend and protect Israel / himself begins and ends - a huge problem. Neither him nor Hamas give one shit for Palestinian life.

Surely it would be better for a 2ss if Hamas surrendered, taking away BN main reason for war, and hopefully allowing for more moderate parties to come to power? With both gone, theres a chance, no? Thats what we have to hope for?