Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

This is the issue. I sadly think Hamas will fight to the bitter end rather than surrender and I wonder whether Israel would hold elections next year if they’re ’at war’. I don’t know if they can constitutionally delay elections in such times.

Agree.

It's actually creating more of an issue.

Flood the whole area with food. Take away Hamas's power a little bit more.

I obviously can't guarantee that it couldn't happen but Netanyahu & his right wing government has lost popularity. According to Statista:

As of March 2025, a majority of Israelis held an unfavorable opinion of their Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. A year prior, Netanyahu's approval rating slummed to 41 percent, the lowest in over a decade.

58 percent of Israeli adults did not approve of him at that time. This represented a significant loss of support since the politician's peak popularity in 2015. Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war on October 7, 2023, the Prime Minister has faced a growing disapproval.

www.statista.com/statistics/1482429/israel-public-approval-rating-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

I obviously can't guarantee that it couldn't happen but Netanyahu & his right wing government has lost popularity. According to Statista:

As of March 2025, a majority of Israelis held an unfavorable opinion of their Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. A year prior, Netanyahu's approval rating slummed to 41 percent, the lowest in over a decade.

58 percent of Israeli adults did not approve of him at that time. This represented a significant loss of support since the politician's peak popularity in 2015. Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war on October 7, 2023, the Prime Minister has faced a growing disapproval.

www.statista.com/statistics/1482429/israel-public-approval-rating-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

What happens though if Israel vote in extremists again? Their PR system means that minority voices are more likely to have a major say in policy. Which is why Smotrich can so what he is doing in the West Bank. We have it in Ireland too and parties like the Green Party with 4 or 5 seats have influenced massively government because they hold the key to the majority parties staying in power .

Hamas at this stage have no right to even be a part of a democratic process they gave up that right 22 months ago . It's just how the process comes about will be the issue.

This is the issue. I sadly think Hamas will fight to the bitter end rather than surrender and I wonder whether Israel would hold elections next year if they’re ’at war’. I don’t know if they can constitutionally delay elections in such times.

The million dollar question 😬😬😬😬
How to make Hamas do it indeed.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010328913/when-is-it-genocide.html

Realised I shared this on a different forum so sharing again here as it’s v interesting.

For context, Sands KC is a top international law specialist and has written about the holocaust in relation to international law and his own family’s experience. He discusses the idea of genocide v other war crimes, getting ‘lost’ in definitions and his thoughts on the current situation in Israel/Gaza.

Well worth a watch if you can spare the time.

Definitely.

How to make that happen though?

Israeli citizens can achieve it through the democratic process at the next election in - I think - 2026.

But Hamas need to be made to do it as they have no democratic process.

Definitely.

How to make that happen though?

Israeli citizens can achieve it through the democratic process at the next election in - I think - 2026.

But Hamas need to be made to do it as they have no democratic process.

Hear hear for a change of government for both sides.
Hamas to unconditionally surrender now etc.
And Israel to democratically reject the extreme positions recently taken up.

And as the interview I shared last night discussed, all this debate over specific numbers or the definition of starvation or even genocide gets in the way of the actual issue which is that a lot of people are clearly dying. You cannot bomb an area so densely populated and not be hurting/killing many many people.

Hamas are doing horrendous things, I’m sure, and we will probably never know the true extent because so many first hand accounts of their actions are lost. But Israel are not some poor misunderstood victim in all of this - the people with real power in the Israeli government clearly want that land clear of anyone and everyone. They have also suffered greatly and Hamas need to go but I think Israel’s aims are pretty obvious now. And if/when this same thing happens in the WB, it’ll be impossible to deny. They desperately need a change in government or it’ll be years of pain for Palestinians and Israelis.

And as the interview I shared last night discussed, all this debate over specific numbers or the definition of starvation or even genocide gets in the way of the actual issue which is that a lot of people are clearly dying. You cannot bomb an area so densely populated and not be hurting/killing many many people.

Hamas are doing horrendous things, I’m sure, and we will probably never know the true extent because so many first hand accounts of their actions are lost. But Israel are not some poor misunderstood victim in all of this - the people with real power in the Israeli government clearly want that land clear of anyone and everyone. They have also suffered greatly and Hamas need to go but I think Israel’s aims are pretty obvious now. And if/when this same thing happens in the WB, it’ll be impossible to deny. They desperately need a change in government or it’ll be years of pain for Palestinians and Israelis.

And as the interview I shared last night discussed, all this debate over specific numbers or the definition of starvation or even genocide gets in the way of the actual issue which is that a lot of people are clearly dying. You cannot bomb an area so densely populated and not be hurting/killing many many people.

Hamas are doing horrendous things, I’m sure, and we will probably never know the true extent because so many first hand accounts of their actions are lost. But Israel are not some poor misunderstood victim in all of this - the people with real power in the Israeli government clearly want that land clear of anyone and everyone. They have also suffered greatly and Hamas need to go but I think Israel’s aims are pretty obvious now. And if/when this same thing happens in the WB, it’ll be impossible to deny. They desperately need a change in government or it’ll be years of pain for Palestinians and Israelis.

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

It’s alarming to see organisations and individuals that set out to try and do something useful and humane being accused of ‘virtue signalling’ or ‘shrouding themselves in virtue’ as if that is somehow something bad.
Virtue is a good thing.
rather virtue than vice!

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

If its any compensation at all I believe the absolute farce of the aid distribution and the resulting forced starvation of civilians will not help Israels case at all in any future accusations of genocide.

Let the terrorists get the food too if necessary. Aid should be flowing freely.

It’s alarming to see organisations and individuals that set out to try and do something useful and humane being accused of ‘virtue signalling’ or ‘shrouding themselves in virtue’ as if that is somehow something bad.
Virtue is a good thing.
rather virtue than vice!

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

I meant no one on MN from the pro Pal side was particularly bothered about these aid workers at the time. I was the one expressing sympathy for them but I had people arguing with me that they even were aid workers.

The story about MSF doctors refusing to treat them? Like a lot of things happening in Gaza, we don’t know the truth so we don’t know if it’s a complete fabrication or not.

I wonder whether the number of injured people, lack of resources and general flattening of hospitals means lots of people are being ‘left to die’ because there just aren’t the staff or resources to help them. Perhaps we only hear about these people tragically dying in this manner because they are linked to the US.

I was thinking the same @PinkBobby . I was also wondering why when Hamas had made such credible threats in the previous days GHF sent a large group of workers out on a bus without any protection.