Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

@CyberStranger I’m qualified in child health with 30 years of experience and it’s clear that her immediate problem is malnutrition. Food is medicine. Have you seen a child with cystic fibrosis or cerebral palsy or any other chronic condition in England look like that? But we are seeing image after image of Palestinians kids - cystic fibrosis, cerebral palsy, genetic conditions intellectual disability . Associated press journalists investigated 13 cases and 5 had no relevant background history.
Is it just that you start to excuse war crimes by past, it seems ok to let the old and the weak sick die this way?
Is the life a sick or disabled person less valuable than a healthy person. Is the life of a person from one tradition more valuable than someone from another tradition?

Poor child. She has lost a tremendous amount of weight. Maybe her medical condition means that she needs a particular type of food that the blockade of aid means she can’t get.

The article I posted also gives stats that 81% of households can’t get sufficient foods. This is affecting most households now and people clearly know GHF supply is not enough, so no surprise.

In the video you posted earlier, the MSF lady spoke of impact of malnutrition on difficulties with healing (as well lack of pain relief for children). I’ve read doctors speak of this too.

Italian doctors say that a poor 20 year old Gazan lady flown to Italy died of malnutrition.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce87n455dvxo.amp

The U.N. need to be able to work as they see fit to distribute aid the world will willingly give to Palestinians in Gaza.

And whilst Israel increases vetting beyond what aid agencies agree with- this is happening:

”According to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (ICE) which measures food insecurity and famine, 81% of households in Gaza reported poor food consumption in July, up from 33% in April; 24% of households experienced very severe hunger in July, compared with 4% in April; and nearly nine out of 10 households resorted to "extremely severe coping mechanisms" to feed themselves.
That huge hike in food insecurity follows on directly from Israel's total blockade, which began on 2 March and ended on 19 May when Israel began a limited resumption of food supplies.”

https://news.sky.com/story/every-hospital-in-gaza-overwhelmed-with-malnutrition-cases-13412697

There’s a difference between systemic or widespread stealing of aid by Hamas (which would then enable them to control food access for the majority of citizens) vs the inevitable fact that Hamas will be stealing some of the aid that enters Gaza.

If there are 4 hubs to go to for aid and they’re open for 11 minutes (the average in July), you’re saying that you’re happy to believe that 36,000 meals were handed out a minute across the sites. This obviously isn’t exact maths but do you see why I’m sceptical about their numbers?

The memo in this article does not mention any difficulties prior to Israel starting the blockade of essential goods to Gaza pre- October 2023. Do you remember that Israel also did this at the start of their bombardment of Gaza and not just earlier this year. I guess this is a consequence of weaponisation of essential aid.

The lack of evidence for Hamas systematically stealing significant amounts of aid prior blockade also comes from UD sources:

“An internal US government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of US-funded humanitarian supplies, challenging the main rationale that Israel and the US give for backing a new armed private aid operation.
The analysis, which has not been previously reported, was conducted by a bureau within the US Agency for International Development and completed in late June. It examined 156 incidents of theft or loss of US-funded supplies reported by US aid partner organizations between October 2023 and this May.
It found “no reports alleging Hamas” benefited from US-funded supplies, according to a slide presentation of the findings.”

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250725-no-evidence-hamas-diverted-gaza-humanitarian-aid-usaid-report-shows

The context that this is happening politically in Israel is also important, when there are Knesset members determined to not allow aid in at all.

Ben Gvir proposing aid bring stopped and ethnic cleansing:

“The only way to win the war and return the hostages is to completely stop ‘humanitarian’ aid, occupy the entire Strip and encourage voluntary migration,” Ben Gvir says.

anyone turning up in extremis should have basic first aid as a minimum

But basic medical supplies like gauze and antiseptic are blocked by Israel under the arbitrary “dual use” rules
”Health care workers reported the following items as being restricted from entering Gaza: anesthesia, strong pain killers, sanitation materials, scalpels, scalpel handles, insulin, orthopedic tools (drills, screws, metal plates), suture materials, dressings and gauze, point of care testing, water purification materials, chest tubes, hormone medications for reproductive health, dialysis supplies, batteries, oxygen cylinders, airway and intubation supplies, tourniquets, clamps, skin staplers, and pulse oximeters.”
One medic even reported that soap was not allowed.
https://phr.org/our-work/resources/we-could-have-saved-so-many-more-anguish-and-death-caused-by-israels-restrictions-on-medical-supplies-in-gaza/

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0816/1528773-healthcare-gaza-protest/

It is the very fact that it is so dangerous and difficult that means it shouldn’t be taken on by a contractor with no experience. The U.N. had been doing an imperfect job but understood the challenge.it doesn’t take any expertise to know that zero experience orgs shouldn’t try things out in a war zone. Military expertise should be equal or second to providing aid properly. Otherwise, people end up dying from starvation and or mismanagement.

@CyberStranger No comparable war but plenty of people in desperate situations in need of aid.

I look forward to seeing evidence of the meals being distributed because the maths doesn’t seem to add up to me!

I don’t agree with any violence shown towards these workers but they are facing desperate people and giving hundreds of thousands of people 11minutes to try and get food whilst pointing guns at them. These are people watching their children slowly fading away or recovering from horrendous injuries. They have every right to be angry.

The important thing to me is that the people who need food are getting it and the way GHF has set itself cannot do that job. They never should’ve accepted if the U.N. weren’t there to help.

Hmm at the criticism of something which would be incredibly dangerous and difficult. I think it’s easy to post they are amateurs without the understanding of the reality for workers there.

And you’d need military experience to survive.

A brand new aid company with seemingly only military experience has zero place in Gaza - it is an incredibly complicated war zone because of how Hamas are fighting and shouldn’t be run by amateurs. If an agreement couldn’t be worked out re working alongside the UN, the U.N. should’ve stayed in place and not been replaced by GHF who couldn’t do the job. I won’t applaud them for taking three months to figure out how to do a job that was already being done albeit imperfectly.

They haven’t stopped Hamas from stealing aid. They haven’t provided adequate hubs for the number of people needing food. Ultimately,
some people are making a lot of money from private contracts - more disaster capitalism making rich people richer.

Plus, as much as I would love to believe that they are getting all those meals out to all those poor people, I’d like you to explain the maths. How many meals a minute do they need to deal out across 4 hubs in 11 minutes to get to 1.5m meals a day?

@Twiglets1 you're right - anyone providing aid at this point should be in there but it is frustrating that that is the ‘best’ we can offer all those poor people.

Yes they do risk their lives to do it and still they are seen as the bad guys for some reason.

Why did the UN refuse to co operate do you know?

I don't think they should be kicked out at the moment as Gazans need as much aid as possible and the GHF is a source of aid alongside the NGOs that Israel are allowing to deliver aid, airdrops etc.

Definitely more aid distribution centres are needed and they need to stay open for longer, I agree with that.

And GFH should be kicked out of Gaza for totally failing to do the job it’s meant to do. Hamas is terrible and needs to go but shoddy ‘aid’ contractors shouldn’t be allowed to do this job if they are so incapable. 2m people cannot get aid in 11 minutes from 4 locations.

Oh right .
Seems to be a common theme from both sides.

It’s really sad as it’s hard to resolve.

Again, it's up to Israel and they are choosing not to.

I think the reason is probably as @CyberStranger says - the donors don't want to be identified as it was somehow seen as bad publicity to be identified with an organisation giving this form of aid to Gaza even before the first day of operating.

Yes I think that's it in a nutshell.