UEFA have finally taken a stand

Framing it?

Hamas absolutely did start the war by slaughtering, raping and torturing 1200 people including 900 civilians, as well as kidnapping 250 people including babies and children, 50 which they are still holding almost 2 years later.

IN A SINGLE DAY.

Would Israel gave gone into Gaza otherwise?

The ‘oppression’ in Gaza was self inflicted by a majority of Palestinians choosing terrorism and war instead of peace.

Do you think thousands of misfired and unexploded rockets landing in civilian areas, IEDs, land mines, booby traps etc, might have caused some deaths or injuries in such a small, densely populated place like Gaza?

How many deaths or injuries do you think they may have caused.

Do you think landmines might explain the high amount of child amputees?

Are you sure you’re not being deliberately obtuse? Framing it as ‘Hamas started the war, so they’re responsible for all deaths’ completely ignores decades of occupation, repeated Israeli military operations, and the ongoing blockade that has caused mass civilian suffering. Direct deaths from IDF strikes, drone attacks, and the weaponisation of aid are a huge part of Gaza’s civilian toll.

Oh but they’ll say it was a “technical error”. Just like the technical error that killed 6 children queueing for water.

Yes Hamas are responsible for all deaths in Gaza as they STARTED the war but for this purpose I am referring to direct deaths from their own munitions which had no IDF involvement.

Land Mines = most common cause of amputation in a war btw.

If course they have.

It's the same as saying you have seen no starving children.

And for the people in the back..

The one doing the killing is the one responsible. We all have free will . No one can make Israel target a child carrying water. That was a choice they made, they were not forced into it.

No matter how you spin it, the vast majority of civilian deaths- including tens of thousands of children- are caused by Israel’s bombings, blockades, and weaponised starvation, not misfired rockets or Hamas tunnels.

@CyberStranger So you really think Hamas is responsible for all the civilian deaths in Gaza? Not the bombs dropped from the sky, not the drones targeting children, not the IDF systematically hitting hospitals, aid points, and homes, or the armed gangs acting with Israeli backing? What a selective view of reality.

Sugar I quoted the wrong post.
I agree wholeheartedly with @Wedonttalkaboutboris .
Apologies

Does anyone have any sources for this? That everyone just secretly hates Jews? Israel wasn’t even on my radar before this crisis. I have Jewish friends who are disgusted by what is happening.

…pointing out the mass starvation, bombing of civilians, and killing of children is now somehow ‘anti-Jewish’ rather than simply human outrage at crimes against humanity.

Yes, civilians do get hurt by Hamas’ tactics- but no, that doesn’t justify deliberately starving, bombing, and blocking essential aid to nearly 2 million people, including hundreds of thousands of children. The man-made famine, destroyed hospitals, schools, and ambulances, and the sheer scale of civilian casualties in Gaza are entirely disproportionate and can’t be explained away by misfired rockets or booby traps- no matter how much you’d like it to be.

Ah here we go

No one actually cares about Palestinians being slaughtered they just want to get back at Jewish people

Talk about dehumanisation .

That should say, 37.7% of the children killed among the total reported deaths in Gaza during this conflict, not 37.7% of all children in Gaza overall.

To be fair- it seems that’s what they’re aiming for ultimately anyway.

Do you seriously not get it?

How many deaths and injuries of PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS do you think have occurred from misfired rockets when terrorists film themselves sitting in tents in refugee camps merrily popping them off with no care for where they fall.

How many deaths and injuries of PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS from booby trapped buildings, IEDs and mines planted to kill IDF soldiers?

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if that accounts for the high amputated rate.

What am I justifying?

And no matter how it’s framed, Hamas isn’t responsible for the man-made famine or the equivalent of 4 Hiroshima bombs being dropped on Gaza, an area only slightly larger than Malta.

How have 30% of children in Gaza been killed, that would mean a death toll of 300,000 children?

Why are you spreading misinformation?

Tunnels and rockets don’t justify starving, bombing, and killing nearly a third of Gaza’s children. Deliberate disproportionate attacks on civilians remain war crimes, no matter what Hamas does.

It’s surreal that instead of acknowledging the starvation, bombings, and deliberate targeting of children, the reaction is just “people don’t like Jews”. Literally ignoring the war crimes.

You have clearly misunderstood, hopefully deliberately.

Do you think booby trapped buildings and rockets being fired from civilian areas (many not reaching their target or landing unexploded) might have a slight impact on the civilian death rate?

If you seriously think the death toll in Gaza is purely from IDF operations, you are deluded I’m afraid.

My outrage isn’t about religion or nationality. It’s about crimes. Any group systematically starving civilians, bombing hospitals, or killing children would be condemned. This isn’t “anti-Jewish” or “anti-anyone,” it’s anti-war-crime, anti-genocide, anti-child-murder.

I will admit that it is pretty mindblowing to me that a centuries old, totally irrational, hatred of Jewish people and therefore a Jewish State, can turn so many seemingly normal people to supporting a barbaric, evil, terrorist regime, who actually want the people these organisations supposedly support, to die!

Support anything as long as it’s against the Jews.

So you believe all of that- the presence of Hamas, tunnels, booby-trapped buildings, or rockets fired from civilian areas- somehow justifies the killing of approximately 30% of Palestinian children? That’s nearly one in three children in Gaza, starved, bombed, and deprived of medical care, despite most having no connection to any fighting.

Ridiculous.