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UEFA have finally taken a stand

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 13/08/2025 20:15

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

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Gloriia · 17/08/2025 14:08

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:56

So you admit Israel is the side that’s killing children and therefore the target of the banner? Got there in the end!

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No but we know they were pressured by salah who obviously thinks that. It's really not a gotcha moment.

They've jusy made tits of themselves really. But as we've said what can you expect from a football organisation.

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 14:06

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 14:03

Most famous footballer in the world! As if. Spurs is represented by a large Jewish fan base. That's why I KNOW why this was pre-ordained.

ETA: my mistake - league, not world.

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Mo Salah is the face of the premier league, like it or not. The fact he’s speaking out for Palestine is an added bonus.

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Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 14:05

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:51

I feel like you’re just intent on ignoring the context of what happened and why uefa made this statement at this time. Fine if you want to live in this little echo chamber

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Talking of ignoring context ...

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 14:03

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:39

It wasn’t. My god, Israel isn’t the centre of the universe!!!! UEFA were coming under fire because perhaps the most famous footballer in the league called them out. It’s that simple.

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Most famous footballer in the world! As if. Spurs is represented by a large Jewish fan base. That's why I KNOW why this was pre-ordained.

ETA: my mistake - league, not world.

quantumbutterfly · 17/08/2025 13:59

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:56

So you admit Israel is the side that’s killing children and therefore the target of the banner? Got there in the end!

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Trying so hard to project your point of view onto others and yet not succeeding.

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:56

Gloriia · 17/08/2025 13:55

It shouldn't be that simple they should read up on the conflict instead of releasing one sided 'banners' because some over privileged footballer told them off publicly.

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So you admit Israel is the side that’s killing children and therefore the target of the banner? Got there in the end!

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Gloriia · 17/08/2025 13:55

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:39

It wasn’t. My god, Israel isn’t the centre of the universe!!!! UEFA were coming under fire because perhaps the most famous footballer in the league called them out. It’s that simple.

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It shouldn't be that simple they should read up on the conflict instead of releasing one sided 'banners' because some over privileged footballer told them off publicly.

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:51

Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 13:50

Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Palestine and Ukraine

Children from all these countries sat in front of the banner.

But no threads about them..

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I feel like you’re just intent on ignoring the context of what happened and why uefa made this statement at this time. Fine if you want to live in this little echo chamber

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Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 13:50

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:39

It wasn’t. My god, Israel isn’t the centre of the universe!!!! UEFA were coming under fire because perhaps the most famous footballer in the league called them out. It’s that simple.

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Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Palestine and Ukraine

Children from all these countries sat in front of the banner.

But no threads about them..

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 13:39

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 12:33

Course it wasn't directed at Spurs 🙄

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It wasn’t. My god, Israel isn’t the centre of the universe!!!! UEFA were coming under fire because perhaps the most famous footballer in the league called them out. It’s that simple.

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Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 13:34

Gloriia · 17/08/2025 13:31

And if you don't care that this stupid footie organisation didn't have a banner saying 'free the hostages' it is probably because you aren't bothered about the starving, tortured hostages right?

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Touché.

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 13:33

Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 12:38

If you take offense at the phrase "Stop Killing Children" its probably guilt.

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Guilt for what? Ridiculous suggestion and that's exactly the hyperbole, I refer to.

Gloriia · 17/08/2025 13:31

Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 12:38

If you take offense at the phrase "Stop Killing Children" its probably guilt.

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And if you don't care that this stupid footie organisation didn't have a banner saying 'free the hostages' it is probably because you aren't bothered about the starving, tortured hostages right?

Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 12:38

If you take offense at the phrase "Stop Killing Children" its probably guilt.

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 12:36

dairydebris · 17/08/2025 08:27

Zionism is the belief in the right of Jewish self determination in the land of Israel. It doesn't have to include oppressing others. It certainly doesn't have to include starving civilians and razing their homes in order to build more of your own. I would hope that most of us on here at least agree with the rights of Jewish people to have a homeland in Israel? Do you?

I actually don't know that. I think where people tell lies about one group in a public place, then refuse to walk it back when the untruth is pointed out- this implies a level of prejudice and hatred towards that group that amounts to racism. At least, that's always been my experience of it?

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I think it's quite something, when non Jews try to explain what Zionism is. The response, to my question, was along the lines of what I thought it would be. The ignorance and inaccuracies of everything relating to this conflict, are self evident. Hence the hyperbolic clichés.

Dangermoo · 17/08/2025 12:33

LifeOfAShowGirl · 16/08/2025 22:53

It was nothing to do with who was playing.

UEFA were called out for their absolutely piss poor messaging on the death of the player. They chose their next match (as the next international break isn’t until September, and the club competitions haven’t truly started yet), to use to attempt to rescue some shred of dignity. It was not targeted to Tottenham.

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Course it wasn't directed at Spurs 🙄

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:31

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one dairy, because I just can’t handle the constant going in circles and totally baseless accusations

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dairydebris · 17/08/2025 08:27

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:16

Being against the Zionist ideology of the current Israeli government.

Prejudice is not the same as anti semitism. You know that. The same thing happens with every conflict, and misinformation appears on both sides of every debate.

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Zionism is the belief in the right of Jewish self determination in the land of Israel. It doesn't have to include oppressing others. It certainly doesn't have to include starving civilians and razing their homes in order to build more of your own. I would hope that most of us on here at least agree with the rights of Jewish people to have a homeland in Israel? Do you?

I actually don't know that. I think where people tell lies about one group in a public place, then refuse to walk it back when the untruth is pointed out- this implies a level of prejudice and hatred towards that group that amounts to racism. At least, that's always been my experience of it?

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:23

But like clockwork, the anti semitism accusations have started in order to shut down all conversation.

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:16

dairydebris · 17/08/2025 08:15

What's anti Zionism?

And does telling a lie about a nation of people, then refusing to take it back when caught in a lie count as prejudice?

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Being against the Zionist ideology of the current Israeli government.

Prejudice is not the same as anti semitism. You know that. The same thing happens with every conflict, and misinformation appears on both sides of every debate.

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dairydebris · 17/08/2025 08:15

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:00

No.

Anti Zionism ≠ anti semitism. The two need to be distinguished because otherwise anti semitism is used to shut down every single discussion regarding the actions of Israel. As far as I have seen, nobody on this thread has made any anti semitic comments, nor have they used any anti semitic tropes. The commentary has been purely related to the actions of Israel.

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What's anti Zionism?

And does telling a lie about a nation of people, then refusing to take it back when caught in a lie count as prejudice?

Martymcfly24 · 17/08/2025 08:02

MyNameIsX · 17/08/2025 07:19

When you are done congratulating yourselves.

There is an unhealthy dose of anti-semitism in the ongoing criticism of Israel. At least people should try to be honest.

We all know it.

Well you should be honest then why you have posted in support of Ukraine so you could make this point.

It is not anti semitic to criticize Israel for something you would criticize another country for .

Would I condemn Spain or France or my own country for behaving the same way Israel is currently. Absolutely I would.

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 08:00

MyNameIsX · 17/08/2025 07:19

When you are done congratulating yourselves.

There is an unhealthy dose of anti-semitism in the ongoing criticism of Israel. At least people should try to be honest.

We all know it.

No.

Anti Zionism ≠ anti semitism. The two need to be distinguished because otherwise anti semitism is used to shut down every single discussion regarding the actions of Israel. As far as I have seen, nobody on this thread has made any anti semitic comments, nor have they used any anti semitic tropes. The commentary has been purely related to the actions of Israel.

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MyNameIsX · 17/08/2025 07:19

When you are done congratulating yourselves.

There is an unhealthy dose of anti-semitism in the ongoing criticism of Israel. At least people should try to be honest.

We all know it.

Clavinova · 16/08/2025 23:32

LifeOfAShowGirl
Yet you keep pressing the issue?

Rather I am replying to posts.