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UEFA have finally taken a stand

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 13/08/2025 20:15

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:19

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:15

How many more times does this need to be explained? Emotional manipulation doesn't work on all of us. That doesn't mean we don't feel something - it's just that we are not prepared to take things at face value, especially when such acts are nothing but one sided propaganda.

Reducing the systematic killing and starvation of tens of thousands of children to “emotional manipulation” says it all really. An absolute refusal to confront the reality of what’s happening.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:18

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:15

How many more times does this need to be explained? Emotional manipulation doesn't work on all of us. That doesn't mean we don't feel something - it's just that we are not prepared to take things at face value, especially when such acts are nothing but one sided propaganda.

Emotional manipulation is childishly easy to spot. Some on here may be victims of it but some are cynically using it as a technique themselves.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 10:16

justanotherpassword · 18/08/2025 10:12

Says it all really.

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How on earth people can see this and say that this is about the hostages, I do not know. Even the families of hostages are now protesting their government because they know they don’t want the release of the hostages to happen.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:15

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:08

I don’t understand. Why would someone be against a banner calling for the killing of civilians and children to stop?

Rejecting a banner that calls for the protection of children and civilians isn’t a political stance- it’s a rejection of basic humanity. There’s no defensible reason for that.

Asking for children and civilians to be spared isn’t taking sides. Opposing it is.

How many more times does this need to be explained? Emotional manipulation doesn't work on all of us. That doesn't mean we don't feel something - it's just that we are not prepared to take things at face value, especially when such acts are nothing but one sided propaganda.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:15

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:24

I expected them to take a stand because they did so with Ukraine. I went to multiple UEFA matches at Wembley after the invasion and there were moments of silence, flags and displays for Ukraine.

Support for Ukraine was less divisive because almost everyone in the West agrees that Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine.

Israel didn’t invade Gaza though?

Israel was the side that got attacked so they are victims too. Hence it’s controversial for organisations to show explicit support for one side or the other (& the reason why Wes Streeting has made it a policy that NHS staff shouldn’t wear their uniforms on marches about the Gaza war).

Seems to me football is political when it wants to be and in other cases doesn’t care about human rights, racism etc as long as big money is involved.

justanotherpassword · 18/08/2025 10:12

Says it all really.

UEFA have finally taken a stand
Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:08

I don’t understand. Why would someone be against a banner calling for the killing of civilians and children to stop?

Rejecting a banner that calls for the protection of children and civilians isn’t a political stance- it’s a rejection of basic humanity. There’s no defensible reason for that.

Asking for children and civilians to be spared isn’t taking sides. Opposing it is.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 10:04

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:03

No, because you've deduced incorrectly. I've explained why I am against the transmission of the message.

Because of a weak point about FIFA (not UEFA), and because you think politics should be kept out of football. When football is an inherently political sport.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:03

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:59

Your points don’t even make sense anymore.

FIFA were wrong to hold the World Cup in Qatar. Just as they’re wrong to be holding it in America in 2026.

That doesn’t change the fact you’re against a banner calling for the killing of civilians and children to stop.

No, because you've deduced incorrectly. I've explained why I am against the transmission of the message.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:59

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:57

It doesn't matter that FIFA isn't UEFA. They represent the huge operation of international football. What's worse, is that FIFA insisted politics should be kept out of football, at the 2022 Qatar World Cup - oh, how very convenient. You know, the place where thousands of migrants had died building the football stadium. Where was their banner? Money talks and that very much includes Salah. There's as much double standards going on, in support of Palestine, as there is in football.

Your points don’t even make sense anymore.

FIFA were wrong to hold the World Cup in Qatar. Just as they’re wrong to be holding it in America in 2026.

That doesn’t change the fact you’re against a banner calling for the killing of civilians and children to stop.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:57

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:48

FIFA are not UEFA. Two different governing bodies with two different standards.

Qatar didn’t instigate this!!! I think you’re looking for a conspiracy where there isn’t one.

Salah called out UEFA for their absolutely pathetic messaging in their tweet.

UEFA started to get criticised for their lack of acknowledgement of the genocide occurring in Palestine. They were criticised for allowing Israel to compete in their competitions after banning Russia following their invasion of Ukraine.

UEFA responded at the first game of the new season with a statement that covered all bases. “Stop killing children. Stop killing civilians”.

That is not an anti-Israel statement. The hostages are included as civilians. Not sure what else they could have done to be honest.

It doesn't matter that FIFA isn't UEFA. They represent the huge operation of international football. What's worse, is that FIFA insisted politics should be kept out of football, at the 2022 Qatar World Cup - oh, how very convenient. You know, the place where thousands of migrants had died building the football stadium. Where was their banner? Money talks and that very much includes Salah. There's as much double standards going on, in support of Palestine, as there is in football.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:56

GladioliGreen · 18/08/2025 09:52

Opposed to a banner that says 'Stop killing children' because of Hamas and 'brainwashing'? No, sorry but that doesn't make any sense that's why people are having their eyes opened by the pro Israel lots reaction to it.

I don’t think they even care at this point. It’s just delving deeper and deeper into conspiracies about why it’s actually a targeted comment because it was Tottenham and PSG.

i again find it entertaining that they’re now so against this sort of thing that they think condemning Russia is wrong, but if the banner had the word hostage on it, it would have been fine!

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 09:55

GladioliGreen · 17/08/2025 21:58

I don't think people realise how much shit like this turns people off the pro Israel cause. When people see them bitching and whining because of a banner that reads 'stop killing children' it just makes people think what is wrong with you?

In no other conflict would a banner like this cause controversy because it isn't a controversial thing to say. The very thought that people feel for Palestinian children seems to drive some people wild and that is what makes people realise that this isn't about Hamas, it isn't about people fearing for Israels safety, it's about hate.

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GladioliGreen · 18/08/2025 09:52

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:19

It's exactly about Hamas and that's why people are opposed to it. It's about brainwashing. It's black and white to you - it isn't, to me.

Opposed to a banner that says 'Stop killing children' because of Hamas and 'brainwashing'? No, sorry but that doesn't make any sense that's why people are having their eyes opened by the pro Israel lots reaction to it.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:48

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:44

Who has made it explicit - FIFA has. As for the message, it's as much about the instigator as the messenger. Do you even know that Qatar funds Hamas? Do you not think that vital fact is something to ponder over?

FIFA are not UEFA. Two different governing bodies with two different standards.

Qatar didn’t instigate this!!! I think you’re looking for a conspiracy where there isn’t one.

Salah called out UEFA for their absolutely pathetic messaging in their tweet.

UEFA started to get criticised for their lack of acknowledgement of the genocide occurring in Palestine. They were criticised for allowing Israel to compete in their competitions after banning Russia following their invasion of Ukraine.

UEFA responded at the first game of the new season with a statement that covered all bases. “Stop killing children. Stop killing civilians”.

That is not an anti-Israel statement. The hostages are included as civilians. Not sure what else they could have done to be honest.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:44

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:35

Who has made that explicit? Because it is, as I keep saying, an inherently political sport and it always will be. That doesn’t change because you don’t like them saying “stop killing people@

Who has made it explicit - FIFA has. As for the message, it's as much about the instigator as the messenger. Do you even know that Qatar funds Hamas? Do you not think that vital fact is something to ponder over?

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:35

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:32

No I won't move on; I support a club, thank you very much. It's been made explicit, politics is to be kept out of football. This why UEFA have tried to justify it by saying it's for reasons of humanity - not politics. If that's the case, their pay masters should dig deep and find their humanity and call off Hamas. Your lens is much narrower than mine.

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Who has made that explicit? Because it is, as I keep saying, an inherently political sport and it always will be. That doesn’t change because you don’t like them saying “stop killing people@

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:32

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:28

Again. Football is an inherently political sport and communities use it to come together and show support - same as how they do after things like terror attacks or tragic deaths. Just say you don’t like football and move on at this point.

No I won't move on; I support a club, thank you very much. It's been made explicit, politics is to be kept out of football. This why UEFA have tried to justify it by saying it's for reasons of humanity - not politics. If that's the case, their pay masters should dig deep and find their humanity and call off Hamas. Your lens is much narrower than mine.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:28

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:25

That was wrong as well. Fans pay a lot of money to watch a match - not to be pulled into politics.

Again. Football is an inherently political sport and communities use it to come together and show support - same as how they do after things like terror attacks or tragic deaths. Just say you don’t like football and move on at this point.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:25

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:24

I expected them to take a stand because they did so with Ukraine. I went to multiple UEFA matches at Wembley after the invasion and there were moments of silence, flags and displays for Ukraine.

That was wrong as well. Fans pay a lot of money to watch a match - not to be pulled into politics.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:24

LifeOfAShowGirl · 17/08/2025 21:58

Exactly. It’s actually kind of entertaining watching them spinning themselves in knots trying to explain why “stop killing children” is a targeted message that we should be angry about.

I really wouldn't be talking about us entertaining you. Believe me, it is very much the other way round.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 09:24

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:22

Why are you angry they didn't do it sooner? Were you expecting a football association to get involved, one way or another? If this was about one dead footballer, an image of his photo and a testimony would have been appropriate, at the match. It isn't about that though, it's being controlled by arabs and their billions. I repeat, once again, its about the Muslim Brotherhood.

I expected them to take a stand because they did so with Ukraine. I went to multiple UEFA matches at Wembley after the invasion and there were moments of silence, flags and displays for Ukraine.

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Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:22

justanotherpassword · 18/08/2025 09:05

But it doesn’t just say children. It says ‘civilians’ as well. The hostages are civilians so I really can’t understand why so much anger.

20,000 children have been killed. That is modest estimates. 20,000. In comparison something like 1500 Ukrainian children have been killed since the war started.

Children are children. We shouldn’t be angry why UEFA put the message out. We should be angry why they didn’t do it earlier.

Why are you angry they didn't do it sooner? Were you expecting a football association to get involved, one way or another? If this was about one dead footballer, an image of his photo and a testimony would have been appropriate, at the match. It isn't about that though, it's being controlled by arabs and their billions. I repeat, once again, its about the Muslim Brotherhood.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 09:19

GladioliGreen · 17/08/2025 21:58

I don't think people realise how much shit like this turns people off the pro Israel cause. When people see them bitching and whining because of a banner that reads 'stop killing children' it just makes people think what is wrong with you?

In no other conflict would a banner like this cause controversy because it isn't a controversial thing to say. The very thought that people feel for Palestinian children seems to drive some people wild and that is what makes people realise that this isn't about Hamas, it isn't about people fearing for Israels safety, it's about hate.

It's exactly about Hamas and that's why people are opposed to it. It's about brainwashing. It's black and white to you - it isn't, to me.

justanotherpassword · 18/08/2025 09:05

Gloriia · 18/08/2025 08:04

'Why must they be balanced with messages about freeing the hostages? 20,000 children have been killed. There’s about 20 or so hostages.'

Every life matters. No one is irrelevant despite what the op has said.

Again anti war messages are good, we can all agree with that but they must relate to all victims and this silly 'ah well if you think a 'stop killing children' banner is aimed at the IDF then ha you've revealed who the villains are!' Is desperate and not true as we all know. However, that is clearly what the football player thinks so qatar funded uefa have only parroted his beliefs.

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But it doesn’t just say children. It says ‘civilians’ as well. The hostages are civilians so I really can’t understand why so much anger.

20,000 children have been killed. That is modest estimates. 20,000. In comparison something like 1500 Ukrainian children have been killed since the war started.

Children are children. We shouldn’t be angry why UEFA put the message out. We should be angry why they didn’t do it earlier.