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UEFA have finally taken a stand

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 13/08/2025 20:15

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

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CyberStranger · 18/08/2025 11:22

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:39

I’m not trying to compare suffering or score points. I’m using the Ukraine figure purely to give context for the scale of child deaths in Gaza- it’s about illustrating how extreme this crisis is, not about minimising other conflicts.

I’m certainly not the one being crass here.

No one would compare the Ukrainian child death toll with Gazan child death toll unless they were trying to be extremely disingenuous and deceptive.

  1. Ukraine does not have an extremist Islamic terrorist group with a martyr culture as it’s government and therefore Ukraine does not operate a policy of civilian human sacrifice for the ‘cause’, where civilians are deliberately put in harms way so they are killed before the terrorists.
  2. Ukraine did not booby trap thousands of homes and buildings and does not fire rockets from heavily populated civilian areas hoping for the best. Both of these practices may have had a profound effect on the child death rate in Gaza.
  3. Two million children were able to evacuate from Ukraine.
  4. The Ukrainian government doesn’t steal aid so it can starve its civilians to blame Russia for their deaths. Russia certainly wouldn’t have facilitated aid to Ukraine anyway!

So a ridiculous comparison IMO.

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:20

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:17

Yes, because apparently everyone is Hamas. Even:
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Médecins Sans Frontières
European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights
UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese
International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH)
Over 880 scholars of international law and genocide studies
Al-Haq
Al Mezan
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
Arab Parliament
B’Tselem
Physicians for Human Rights-Israel
United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)
Genocide Watch
Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
Defence for Children International (DCI)
Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP)
Oxfam
Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor
Jewish Voice for Peace
Freedom Flotilla Coalition
Gaza Humanitarian Foundation

Great list @Wedonttalkaboutboris . Needs to be saved .

Add in everyone who waves a Palestinian flag to that.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 11:19

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:17

Yes, because apparently everyone is Hamas. Even:
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Médecins Sans Frontières
European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights
UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese
International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH)
Over 880 scholars of international law and genocide studies
Al-Haq
Al Mezan
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
Arab Parliament
B’Tselem
Physicians for Human Rights-Israel
United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)
Genocide Watch
Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
Defence for Children International (DCI)
Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP)
Oxfam
Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor
Jewish Voice for Peace
Freedom Flotilla Coalition
Gaza Humanitarian Foundation

I have seen people on social media now saying that the hundreds of thousands of protestors in Israel are Hamas.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:17

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:11

You'll be told they are not "facts"
Been there done that..

Yes, because apparently everyone is Hamas. Even:
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Médecins Sans Frontières
European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights
UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese
International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH)
Over 880 scholars of international law and genocide studies
Al-Haq
Al Mezan
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
Arab Parliament
B’Tselem
Physicians for Human Rights-Israel
United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)
Genocide Watch
Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
Defence for Children International (DCI)
Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP)
Oxfam
Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor
Jewish Voice for Peace
Freedom Flotilla Coalition
Gaza Humanitarian Foundation

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:16

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 11:15

Like my question is being ignored about what would be the point in the hostages getting released if Netanyahu allowed Hamas to remain in Gaza just to take more hostages in future?

@LifeOfAShowGirl has skipped on answering that one, but others are welcome to try.

Not to mention that Hamas staying in Gaza would be horrific for the lives of Palestinians. Maybe now IS the time to get them out and it’s a reasonable ceasefire request?

What do you think about the comments made by the former Head of Intelligence so?

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 11:16

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 11:15

Like my question is being ignored about what would be the point in the hostages getting released if Netanyahu allowed Hamas to remain in Gaza just to take more hostages in future?

@LifeOfAShowGirl has skipped on answering that one, but others are welcome to try.

Not to mention that Hamas staying in Gaza would be horrific for the lives of Palestinians. Maybe now IS the time to get them out and it’s a reasonable ceasefire request?

So you admit it? He’s using the hostages as a political pawn to justify what he’s doing in Gaza. There is absolutely no reason why he couldn’t negotiate for the release of the hostages.

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Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 11:15

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:07

There will be.
Or it will be ignored.

Like my question is being ignored about what would be the point in the hostages getting released if Netanyahu allowed Hamas to remain in Gaza just to take more hostages in future?

@LifeOfAShowGirl has skipped on answering that one, but others are welcome to try.

Not to mention that Hamas staying in Gaza would be horrific for the lives of Palestinians. Maybe now IS the time to get them out and it’s a reasonable ceasefire request?

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 11:14

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:11

You'll be told they are not "facts"
Been there done that..

They’re only facts if they come directly from Israel. Otherwise, every single news source is unreliable

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Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:11

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:08

Must be so irritating having actual facts interrupt your dissonance.

You'll be told they are not "facts"
Been there done that..

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:09

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:53

Yes - it’s turning into Groundhog Day again with people saying the same things that have already been debated. And answering posts with comments that are nothing to do with the points raised… so boring & tedious.

3,2,1… are you saying Palestinians dying is boring!

Not at all- watching nearly 2 million civilians be starved and 18,000+ children killed is horrifying. It’s your dismissal of the facts as “boring” that’s tedious.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 11:08

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:50

Another thread with regurgitated 'facts'. Groundhog day. @Twiglets - catch you later x

Must be so irritating having actual facts interrupt your dissonance.

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:07

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 11:03

Jesus Christ. That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. There is no defence of this

There will be.
Or it will be ignored.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 11:03

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:00

Even the former head of Intelligence pretty much said that destroying Palestinians was the aim .

“For everything that happened on October 7, for every one person on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” said Israel Defense Force’s (IDF) Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva in the recordings released by Israel’s Channel 12 news on Friday. “It doesn’t matter now if they are children.”

“The fact that there are already 50,000 dead in Gaza is necessary and required for future generations,” Haliva said in the recordings
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“There is no choice — every now and then, they need a Nakba in order to feel the price,”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/18/middleeast/gaza-deaths-necessary-former-israel-intel-chief-leaked-recording-intl

Very hard to justify this kind of talk but I am sure it will be..

Jesus Christ. That’s horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. There is no defence of this

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Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 11:00

Even the former head of Intelligence pretty much said that destroying Palestinians was the aim .

“For everything that happened on October 7, for every one person on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” said Israel Defense Force’s (IDF) Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva in the recordings released by Israel’s Channel 12 news on Friday. “It doesn’t matter now if they are children.”

“The fact that there are already 50,000 dead in Gaza is necessary and required for future generations,” Haliva said in the recordings
.
“There is no choice — every now and then, they need a Nakba in order to feel the price,”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/18/middleeast/gaza-deaths-necessary-former-israel-intel-chief-leaked-recording-intl

Very hard to justify this kind of talk but I am sure it will be..

Leaked recording reveals ex-Israeli military intelligence chief calling 50,000 deaths in Gaza ‘necessary’ | CNN

In leaked audio recordings, the former head of Israeli military intelligence can be heard saying that the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza is “necessary and required for future generations.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/18/middleeast/gaza-deaths-necessary-former-israel-intel-chief-leaked-recording-intl

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:57

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 10:53

Why would they release the hostages when Netanyahu is going to eradicate the Palestinian people one way or another?

Asking a new question instead of answering mine about what would be the point in Israel getting the hostages back if Hamas are allowed to remain in Gaza to take more hostages in future?

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LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 10:53

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:50

Complete rubbish. The only way the hostages could possibly have been released by now is if Netanyahu had agreed that Hamas could stay in Gaza.

What would be the point if they could just take more hostages in future?

Why would they release the hostages when Netanyahu is going to eradicate the Palestinian people one way or another?

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Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:53

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:50

Another thread with regurgitated 'facts'. Groundhog day. @Twiglets - catch you later x

Yes - it’s turning into Groundhog Day again with people saying the same things that have already been debated. And answering posts with comments that are nothing to do with the points raised… so boring & tedious.

3,2,1… are you saying Palestinians dying is boring!

Kakeandkake · 18/08/2025 10:50

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:46

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Its true. Netanyahu has a choice between releasing the hostages or continuing a war which his political survival relies on. It's a no brainer which one he has chosen.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:50

LifeOfAShowGirl · 18/08/2025 10:43

The hostages could have been released by now. Israel have not attempted to get them released because they know that the hostages are their justification for the genocide.

Complete rubbish. The only way the hostages could possibly have been released by now is if Netanyahu had agreed that Hamas could stay in Gaza.

What would be the point if they could just take more hostages in future?

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:50

Another thread with regurgitated 'facts'. Groundhog day. @Twiglets - catch you later x

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:50

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:41

What are you even on about? Releasing the hostages is not an attempt to shift the blame onto Palestinians because they didn’t take the hostages or have the power to release them.

The blame for the hostages lies with Hamas! It’s a manipulation of the truth to suggest otherwise.

So why are ordinary Palestinians being subjected to starvation and bombardment at a scale far beyond anything needed to address hostages?

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 10:47

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 10:45

Oh really? I didn’t know that apart from you mentioning it over & over again on almost every post you make. We know these facts but there are other facts you don’t want to talk about like the massacre on 7/10 or the sexual violence used against women by Hamas. Why the reluctance to mention facts relating to Hamas?

Notice how there is no acknowledgement of the hostages' suffering?

Martymcfly24 · 18/08/2025 10:46

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 10:37

Call it naive if you like, but the facts are brutal: 18,000+ children dead, nearly 2 million civilians starving, hospitals and schools destroyed. This isn’t political theatre, it’s documented human suffering. Reality doesn’t care about your cynicism.

The facts are brutal I agree.

-13,000 child admitted due acute malnutrition in July (I am sure they didn't all have underlying conditions)
-diseases such as meningitis, waterborne infections etc are rampant
-rats mosquito and cockroach in tents
-numerous skin and bacterial infections with no treatment available.

-older people being left to die slowly as they have no medications for illnesses like blood pressure etc

https://www.thejournal.ie/amnesty-israel-starvation-gaza-6792757-Aug2025/

Amnesty accuses Israel of deliberately starving Palestinians as mass anti-war protests hit Tel Aviv

The NGO called on the Irish government to respond ‘with determination and courage’ to the crisis in Gaza.

https://www.thejournal.ie:443/amnesty-israel-starvation-gaza-6792757-Aug2025/