So are MSF wrong about Gaza too?

Never ... and I used to live in Stamford Hill in London for a few years which is apparently the largest Hasidic community in Europe.

Never any trouble whatsoever. The only negative thing I ever thought about them was that they didn't mix in the wider community but kept themselves to themselves. Completely peaceful group to live alongside, though.

Agree hate and extremists on both sides.
One siding it on here feeds it though.

I don't see Jewish extremism, for instance, on the streets of the UK.

Maybe an Israeli not assassinating the one Prime Minister who came to an agreement with the PLO would have helped too. There is hate and extremism on both sides.

Maybe not continuing centuries of hate and intolerance for another religion, would have saved all this.

Dont you think its conceivable that Israel would prefer a Palestinian nation next door focused on its own nation building and future for its own people, rather than just constantly trying to destroy Israel and turn the clock back to 1920?

Oh the irony. Most of the infrastructure Palestinians have managed to build is in ruins now. The last thing Israel wants is a successful thriving Palestine next door.

Good job Israel is somewhat independent - they developed their infrastructure, while their enemy didn't- just dug tunnels and bought weapons. Their rich benefactor, of course knew where most of their money was going.

The only reason Israel isn't destroyed, is because they won't roll over. A threat, that is centuries old, isn't going to go away. From the river to the sea Palestine will be free - remember. * *

Netanyahu doesn’t want to destroy Israel, Hamas do.

Well he’s certainly destroyed their reputation - probably for decades to come.

Netanyahu wants to destroy Israel now?

Hamas knows it cant destroy Israel, but Netenyahu can. And he is.

I shouldn't worry - your limited experience of military strategy, remains intact.

That should read bombed pagers rather than chargers.

Apologies.

I completely agree. He couldn't give a shit about the hostages either. He welcomed the far right fascist nutters Smotrich and Ben-Gvir into his government to keep him in power and out of jail for corruption. Those two psychopaths are the cheerleaders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank.

As if!🙄

Netenyahu was able to target Hezbollah with bombed chargers. He launched targeted assassinations on Iran's nuclear scientists.

Yet he couldn't target and assassinate the Hamas leaders in Gaza without blanket bombing, starvation and genocide?🤯

The genocide in Gaza is what Netenyahu wants. The man's a psychopath. He doesn't give a shit about Israelis. He doesn't give a shit about Jews or Judaism.

More one siding it. No mention of the violence Palestinians carried out against Israeli civilians?

Israel drove Palestinians into the arms of Hamas? More infantilization of Palestinians. What about the choices made by Palestinian leadership? What about the constant lack of support from other Arab nations?

One siding it like this is so unhelpful, can't you see that? It deepens divisions and plays into the hands of extremists.

Most people easily make the distinction between Israelis and Netanyahu's government, and Palestinians and Hamas. A minority refuse to do so because it suits their hatefilled, crazy beliefs.

I agree that Netenyahu needs to go for Israel's sake. He's Hamas's best weapon.

No this just isn't accurate. Fatah renounced armed resistance in 1993. An Israeli assassinated Yitzhak Rabin because he came close to offering the Palestinians a fair deal in exchange. no Israeli leader has either wanted or dared to offer a fair deal to the Palestinians since that's no accident. Hamas wasn't voted in til 2006, 13 years after Fatah laid down arms, 13 years in which Israeli settlers stole land at an exponential rate, killed burned stolen poisoned livestock etc. 13 years of schoolchildren being shot dead by the IDF. 13 years of violent Apartheid (as per the UN, ICJ, Amnesty, HRW). 13 years of Palestinians being randomly seized and locked up including children, Israel being the only country to try children in military jails, and the conviction rate is over 98%. Many are held in administrative detention i.e. no evidence no trial. See UNICEF report child detainees OPT 2013 which makes clear that the practice has been ongoing for decades.

Israel is not interested in peace, they want the whole of the West Bank and the Gaza strip. If you disagree with that statement please show me evidence since Rabin of a good-faith move from Israel. (Withdrawal of settlements from Gaza but keeping a strangling blockade by land sea and air is NOT good faith.)

Israel drove Palestinians into the arms of Hamas. Just like the viciousness of the white Apartheid regime in South Africa drove the impoverished black population into more violent groups.

So you think the millions of Palestinians displaced in the 1948 war should be allowed to return to within Israels borders? ( the ones proposed by the UN )

Do you not think that might lead to quite an unstable situation? Maybe a brutal civil war? You honestly think Israel should allow this?

Yes they should. Palestine is their homeland too.

Do you think Palestinian refugees should have the right of return? What do you think 'right of return' means?

The reason Palestinians have rejected two state solutions before is that they didn't include a right of return for Palestinian refugees. I don't think the proposal for the state of Israel would have been accepted under those conditions.

I support a two state solution. However, Hamas does not and will not agree to it - and Palestinians (a name that really refers to anyone living in that area, including Jews) who are Arabs and Muslims have rejected the solution several times since 1947.
No-one 'owned' the statehood of the lands that are now Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and Gaza before the 1930s - they had been part of the Ottoman Empire and then part of the Mandate for Palestine and then under UN jurisdiction after WWII - at least it was the UN (not the UK) which designated how the lands were carved up after 1947, giving a portion of them to Jews as a homeland as, prior to WWII, Lebanon had been given to Maronite Christians etc.
Netanyahu is appalling and appears to be hated by his own people. A great many Palestinians living in Gaza, however, support Hamas and its agenda to destroy all Jewry. Those who dared speak out - a few appeared on TV - I hope were evacuated to safety since Hamas' solution to disagreement with its policies is to kill the people who disagree. In Israel people take to the streets to protest against Netanyahu's actions - and live.
Meanwhile, Hamas has published pictures of the remaining living hostages being forced to dig their own graves - and those men have obviously been starved. What about protesting about this?
And the war would have ended on 8th Oct 23 had the hostages been returned.