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Israeli security cabinet expected to approve Gaza takeover plan

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 10:18

Sky News report that Israel is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's plan for a takeover of Gaza when the security cabinet meets later today.

According to the Times of Israel, the full cabinet is due to convene at 6pm local time, 4pm in the UK.

Israeli media are reporting that the plan could potentially span over five months, and it is likely to be aimed at destroying Hamas and pressuring it to free remaining hostages.

While some ministers have been critical of the plan, reports suggest Netanyahu is likely to secure a majority of support.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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Dangermoo · 11/08/2025 12:08

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:51

The irony that posters are saying journalists are in danger from Hamas whilst ignoring that Israel has killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict. Statistically, journalists have alot more to fear from the IDF.

I knew that was coming. You can always predict the selective parts, to take from a post. Difference is, Hamas deliberately kill.

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 12:00

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:50

Once again that isn't true. MSM were reporting from Gaza at the start of the war and never complained of the above. Have you forgotten about that?

What isn't true, that foreign journalists would be at threat from Hamas if they thought they might report anything negative about them? Maybe read this report by the CPJ (Committee to Protect Journalists) about what they do to their own journalists who speak out:

Gaza journalists speak out about Hamas intimidation, threats, assaults

When Gazan journalist Tawfiq Abu Jarad received a phone call from a Hamas security agent warning him not to cover a protest, he readily complied, having been assaulted by Hamas-affiliated forces once before. He only secured his freedom with a promise to stop reporting.

Another journalist told The Washington Post they feared covering highly unusual demonstrations in March 2025 would lead Hamas to accuse them of spying for Israel. A third said Hamas’ internal security agents sometimes followed journalists as they reported. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity.

In separate incidents this year, two Gaza-based journalists told CPJ that they were intimidated by Hamas security agents who blocked them from reporting in certain areas. The journalists did not consent to CPJ going public about their experiences for fear of retaliation. To them, the priority was to be able to continue reporting from the field.

More recently, a TV crew told CPJ they were assaulted by Hamas security forces while trying to film. But, again, the journalists did not want CPJ to publicize the incident as it was later resolved between the powerful clans that wield influence over most of Gaza’s population.

A correspondent for Fatah-affiliated Awda TV, Abu Aoun told CPJ that he was beaten by Hamas’ Internal Security Force in 2024 while interviewing a woman near Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in central Gaza’s Deir al-Balah.

“During the interview, the woman insulted Hamas and some of its leaders. The officers immediately took me to an unknown location and beat me,” said Abu Aoun, 26, adding that they searched his cell phone and told him to stop working in the vicinity of the hospital.

cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults/

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PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 11:57

I can see why Israel would want them to be with the IDF - it massively reduces the risk of them being killed by either side and allows Israel to continue to carry out widespread bombing without fear of international journalists being collateral damage.

My issue with the IDF’s involvement is reviewing the footage. They control where they go so can ensure it’s not a compromising area militarily speaking. So why the extra level of checks? That’s the bit that feels concerning to me.

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:54

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:48

Did you check that info?

I'm asking you, as the person making the accusation. Was he asleep where he can be active in his role as a combatant?

If the answer is no, then what you are claiming is a lawful killing under the rules of war, is in fact an assassination, which is unlawful under the rules of war. In ethics of war scholarship, this is broadly known as the Naked Soldier problem, and the answer to that question tells us about where and when liability ends.

Liability ends at being hors de combats, unless you can demonstrate that they were actively able to fulfil their role at the time of killing, or that they were active in their role in a sense in which they have a "settled design", then the killing is unlawful.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:53

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:32

Again, setting aside whether or not he was.

Was he acting as the head of a guided rocket platoon when he was asleep in his tent? If the answer is no, then the killing was unlawful.

If you believe that once having acted in a combatant role, you are permanently liable, then you would also have to argue that every single Israeli hostage currently held in Gaza can be lawfully killed, right now, by their captors (being, as they all now are, serving IDF). I do not believe that they can be, and I expect you agree with me on that point. The same principle would apply with Al-Sharif, were your accusation to prove true.

Again - well said.

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:53

@dangermoo - and if the IDF control them we won't seem images of civilians being shot while waiting for completely inadequate food aid or starving children, which are well documented by NGOs and others. But presumably anyone who doesn't just get their information from the Israeli Government and the IDF are gullible "useful idiots" rather than first hand observers. I'm not saying Hamas aren't an evil bunch who will try and control the narrative and no-one would like to see them gone more than me, but this in no way excuses the evidence from multiple sources of the actions of the IDF with the active support of the Israeli government. And this needs to be independently documented and people held to account.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:53

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:44

Netanyahu did announce on Sunday that he is now allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, under the supervision of the IDF as a safety measure.

I know lots of people will argue that foreign journalists should be allowed to roam freely like chickens in Gaza but they would be targets for Hamas as their reports into mainstream media couldn't be controlled to make sure nothing negative was ever said about Hamas.

And it doesn't really matter if people on mumsnet argue about it. Respected and credible journalists from around the world are arguing against it.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:51

The irony that posters are saying journalists are in danger from Hamas whilst ignoring that Israel has killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict. Statistically, journalists have alot more to fear from the IDF.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:50

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:44

Netanyahu did announce on Sunday that he is now allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, under the supervision of the IDF as a safety measure.

I know lots of people will argue that foreign journalists should be allowed to roam freely like chickens in Gaza but they would be targets for Hamas as their reports into mainstream media couldn't be controlled to make sure nothing negative was ever said about Hamas.

Once again that isn't true. MSM were reporting from Gaza at the start of the war and never complained of the above. Have you forgotten about that?

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:49

@Dangermoo You didn't imagine it.

In his press statement yesterday, Netanyahu said that foreign journalists will be allowed into Gaza, but they will only be able to do so if they are accompanied by IDF soldiers.

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ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:48

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:41

Was he asleep next to his munitions? Was he asleep at his post?

Did you check that info?

Dangermoo · 11/08/2025 11:45

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:37

I'm no lover of Hamas and they have certainly never done the best for the Gazan population (let alone the 7/10 attack) but does it not occur to you that the complete absence of any international press (as well as the killing of many Gazan journalists) might create questions about some of the Israeli Government narrative? Why are there still no independent journalists in Gaza? They work in far less safe places than this (although the IDF would obviously need to not target them). I want to know the truth about what is happening in Gaza - and there is only one way for this to happen. And it is telling us volumes that Israel is still not allowing independent journalists access.

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BN hopefully is realising that as well as withholding the sick live footage, he's done himself no favours with fighting Hamas propaganda. Press will be controlled by devious Hamas, placing their 'freedom' fighters, amongst the crowds, when not under IDF protection. It's a dangerous place for the press, when it's not Hamas' own plants, doing the reporting. Don't know whether I imagined reading Netanyahu is now turning towards allowing press access, to show the gullible world what's really going on. Of course, if he does, you won't see images of Hamas setting up booby traps and all the other shit the IDF are witness to.

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:44

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:37

I'm no lover of Hamas and they have certainly never done the best for the Gazan population (let alone the 7/10 attack) but does it not occur to you that the complete absence of any international press (as well as the killing of many Gazan journalists) might create questions about some of the Israeli Government narrative? Why are there still no independent journalists in Gaza? They work in far less safe places than this (although the IDF would obviously need to not target them). I want to know the truth about what is happening in Gaza - and there is only one way for this to happen. And it is telling us volumes that Israel is still not allowing independent journalists access.

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Netanyahu did announce on Sunday that he is now allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, under the supervision of the IDF as a safety measure.

I know lots of people will argue that foreign journalists should be allowed to roam freely like chickens in Gaza but they would be targets for Hamas as their reports into mainstream media couldn't be controlled to make sure nothing negative was ever said about Hamas.

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PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 11:42

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:32

That may be your view. I don’t share it.

It doesn’t take much to separate the wheat from the chaff and NGOs, medics and journalists are certainly NOT unbiased.

Another example - MSM, medics, and journalists have repeatedly reported that the IDF have been targeting children in Gaza with snipers and quadcopters. Despite so many reports, and everyone having a phone in Gaza to capture everything that the IDF does, there is not one photo or video that captures even a snippet of this in existence.

Thanks for the advice though.

I’m not saying they are totally unbiased. But they have more responsibility to act with honesty and integrity than random individuals on X, if not just to protect themselves/their integrity as organisations/individuals.

I would assume it’s quite hard to catch sniper attacks on film, especially random ones, as they are invisible threats. And generally speaking, a lot of the footage from Gaza is the aftermath or attacks. In the moment, I’m not sure how many people should be expected to film something that could kill them. What I’ve said could be seen as excuses, I understand if you think that, but I don’t think I would whip out my phone if my child was in danger. Anger and hatred might make me want to share what had happened to them in the aftermath though.

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:41

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:39

I think you need to check your information.

Killing a sleeping combatant is not a war crime, killing prisoners of war is.

Was he asleep next to his munitions? Was he asleep at his post?

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:39

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:32

Again, setting aside whether or not he was.

Was he acting as the head of a guided rocket platoon when he was asleep in his tent? If the answer is no, then the killing was unlawful.

If you believe that once having acted in a combatant role, you are permanently liable, then you would also have to argue that every single Israeli hostage currently held in Gaza can be lawfully killed, right now, by their captors (being, as they all now are, serving IDF). I do not believe that they can be, and I expect you agree with me on that point. The same principle would apply with Al-Sharif, were your accusation to prove true.

I think you need to check your information.

Killing a sleeping combatant is not a war crime, killing prisoners of war is.

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:38

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:32

That may be your view. I don’t share it.

It doesn’t take much to separate the wheat from the chaff and NGOs, medics and journalists are certainly NOT unbiased.

Another example - MSM, medics, and journalists have repeatedly reported that the IDF have been targeting children in Gaza with snipers and quadcopters. Despite so many reports, and everyone having a phone in Gaza to capture everything that the IDF does, there is not one photo or video that captures even a snippet of this in existence.

Thanks for the advice though.

What would you consider to be a "photo or video that captures" the sniping of children by IDF soldiers? There are a great many videos of children being shot in Gaza. Do you need the video to include the IDF sniper taking aim and declaring their target?

In war crimes investigation, the testimony of medical personnel is usually one of the primary sources. Here, the volume of testimony is undeniable. The pattern of bullet wounds to children is overwhelmingly compelling: children are being deliberately targeted.

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:37

Dangermoo · 11/08/2025 11:27

Take that up with Hamas - the scum that booby tapped and set tunnels around those public places.

I'm no lover of Hamas and they have certainly never done the best for the Gazan population (let alone the 7/10 attack) but does it not occur to you that the complete absence of any international press (as well as the killing of many Gazan journalists) might create questions about some of the Israeli Government narrative? Why are there still no independent journalists in Gaza? They work in far less safe places than this (although the IDF would obviously need to not target them). I want to know the truth about what is happening in Gaza - and there is only one way for this to happen. And it is telling us volumes that Israel is still not allowing independent journalists access.

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:35

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:57

@Kakeandkake despite the fact X is known for spreading so much disinformation. I just don’t understand the ability to disregard so many sources and then offer seemingly random X commentators as trustworthy. You can find evidence the earth is flat on X or that the queen was secretly a lizard. In my eyes, it is not somewhere to find the truth.

@Twiglets1 I've been on a few threads now and sadly there are people with the opinion that no one in Gaza is innocent (I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here say such things though). I will have to check specifically who but there are also members of the Israeli government who appear to share these views.

@PinkBobby the specific claim I was replying to was one that asked isn't everyone a terrorist in Gaza according to some posters, the men, women, children, the dogs and cats, the birds, the insects, they're all Hamas.

We can forget the Israeli government for now because they are not who the poster was talking about, they specifically referenced some posters. Though as an aside I believe a far right Israeli minister did say in the past that there are no innocents in Gaza - however, even he did not go so far as to say they are all terrorists, even the children. Anyway, back to what MN posters may or may not have said.

I'm very confident you will not find any MN posters who said everyone in Gaza is a terrorist, including women & children. In fact, I urge you not to waste your time trying because it's not worth it when it wasn't even your statement but someone else's. But that is up to you, naturally.

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ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:32

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 11:21

If it helps, I would ignore those too!

As I’ve mentioned above, X is renowned for its misformation now. It is the worst of the SM platforms and I think any evidence shared on there by random commentators should come under way way more scrutiny than MSM. Blue tick accounts make money with no responsibility to fact check or use proper evidence, with people making huge amounts of money for spreading lies. There was a lot of coverage of this during the American elections if you want to read about it.

I am very open to alternative perspectives but I cannot hold random X commentators as equal to the various NGOs, medics and journalists who are reporting on this conflict (or any other matter). If something ‘breaks’ on social media, I think it is best to wait until it is verified by at least one other source (and not another SM account) before we start considering it in the overall body of evidence. Of course, some things on X are true but I think it should be viewed with such caution now.

That may be your view. I don’t share it.

It doesn’t take much to separate the wheat from the chaff and NGOs, medics and journalists are certainly NOT unbiased.

Another example - MSM, medics, and journalists have repeatedly reported that the IDF have been targeting children in Gaza with snipers and quadcopters. Despite so many reports, and everyone having a phone in Gaza to capture everything that the IDF does, there is not one photo or video that captures even a snippet of this in existence.

Thanks for the advice though.

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:32

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:23

Al-Sharif was the head of a guided rocket platoon. A legitimate military target.

Should the IDF have lost soldiers to get this scum and his cell to surrender peacefully in your view?

Again, setting aside whether or not he was.

Was he acting as the head of a guided rocket platoon when he was asleep in his tent? If the answer is no, then the killing was unlawful.

If you believe that once having acted in a combatant role, you are permanently liable, then you would also have to argue that every single Israeli hostage currently held in Gaza can be lawfully killed, right now, by their captors (being, as they all now are, serving IDF). I do not believe that they can be, and I expect you agree with me on that point. The same principle would apply with Al-Sharif, were your accusation to prove true.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 11/08/2025 11:32

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:23

Al-Sharif was the head of a guided rocket platoon. A legitimate military target.

Should the IDF have lost soldiers to get this scum and his cell to surrender peacefully in your view?

I bet he was Monday!

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:31

Again, setting aside whether or not he was.

Was he acting as the head of a guided rocket platoon when he was asleep in his tent? If the answer is no, then the killing was unlawful.

If you believe that once having acted in a combatant role, you are permanently liable, then you would also have to argue that every single Israeli hostage currently held in Gaza can be lawfully killed, right now, by their captors (being, as they all now are, serving IDF). I do not believe that they can be, and I expect you agree with me on that point. The same principle would apply with Al-Sharif, were your accusation to prove true.

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 11:31

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:23

Al-Sharif was the head of a guided rocket platoon. A legitimate military target.

Should the IDF have lost soldiers to get this scum and his cell to surrender peacefully in your view?

@ConscientiousObserver Is there evidence re the other 4 journalists?

@Dangermoo Hamas set up the human shields. Israel decided to shoot/bomb them. Both sides are accountable for the death and destruction.

Dangermoo · 11/08/2025 11:27

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:05

You do realise that Gaza had infrastructure too - universities, schools, hospitals? Not any more.

Take that up with Hamas - the scum that booby tapped and set tunnels around those public places.