Palestine Action demo 9 August

Unfortunately we now have the overnight news that Israel plans to take over Gaza City. That's likely to inflame opinions. I'm not sure how that works with where the displaced population will go, but that will likely feed into any protests/marches this weekend.

I think either people can say whatever they want, do whatever they want and target anyone they want or they can't.

If groups like Palestine action can vandalise British military, frighten Jewish students, cause bother outside synagogues, say things most Jews find deeply upsetting then the same freedoms should apply to other groups.

Unfortunately there's been serious double standards applied. You couldn't target anyone else like that and get away with it.

Islam hadn't been invented so he can't have been muslim! He was absolutely a Jew.

The police are warning that people supporting Palestine Action can be arrested under the Terrorism Act may find themselves unable to work in education in the future or travel to the US.

So a pretty big sacrifice to support a group who attack police officers with sledgehammers.

According to Google:

"Yes, Muslims believe Jesus was Jewish. In Islam, Jesus (referred to as Isa in Arabic) is recognized as a prophet and messenger of God, sent to the Israelites with a message of divine guidance. Muslims believe he was a Jewish prophet who preached to the Jewish people and performed miracles, but ultimately, they do not believe he was crucified or resurrected in the way that Christians believe."

How could Jesus be a Muslim hundreds of years before Islam existed?

Of course there’s a consensus on whether Jesus was Jewish. The Gospels telling of a Jewish man going around preaching to Jews quoting from Jewish texts, being claimed as the Jewish Messiah and being crucified as King of the Jews is a bit of a hint.

You'd be surprised at how much 'self' is involved, there's still plenty to be gained by being seen by others, perhaps one's peer group, to be involved in a cause. Don't mistake just how self-driven people are!

By the way, Jesus won't 'convert all Jews' - they will have the choice just as we all do, to accept Him or not.

Interesting you should ask that, I hadn't heard of that particular channel until last week when one of my pastors was actually interviewed along with his son on that channel (they lived Israel for 26 years). Other than that I haven't watched further but I'll take a look through their playlist. 🙂

I believe I stand corrected that Jesus was a Jew.

Though I've just read that in Islam he is considered a Muslim so now I don't know again... there doesn't seem to be a consensus on this.

From my understanding, this is correct.

Before I do go, if there are any Jewish people on this thread, I would love to know how you and if you are aware then other Jewish people, feel about the support of those who hold these views?

The support for Israel as the prophecy indicates that Jewish people will be in the land for the second coming and eventually accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

Does this support make you feel uncomfortable or do you not mind as atleast they are still supporting Israel at a time when very few are?

Have a good day 👍

Perfectly put. Two sides to support for Palestinians across the world: those, who know what Free Palestine means and those, who think they do.

@Dangermoo if there is one thing I have learnt, that is many pro-Israelis who love to bash pro-Palestinians are often hypocritical in their criticism. Some deep reflection would not go amiss.

Good day to you all.

I don't think that's strange at all. Jesus was a historical figure who definitely existed and was definitely a Jew. I too am an atheist, but this is historic fact. What's debateable is whether he was the son of God!

Which nobody really objected to either.

Aside from not knowing what a useful idiot is, you are are only concentrating on Jewish and Christian religious philosophy. Maybe if you did more than a quick research on the philosophy of Islam, you will see that taken to its extreme, its "selfishness" declares anyone, who doesn't follow their beliefs, as being infidels - that includes you and me. Do you know what happens next? If you find out, you will find the meaning of a useful idiot, in the context of this war.

Yes, some people may do. But i found it strange that the people in the article discussed above were referred to as 'useful idiots' and 'white saviours' even though they didn't seem to be protesting for any personal gain. Quite ironically a short while later I was very seriously told how Jesus the 'saviour' was going to take over Israel at the end of times and convert all Jews.

You did put it forward respectfully but I disagree that support for Palestinians is necessarily selfless - some people will also be driven by religious considerations or cultural considerations which ultimately determines which "side" they support.

I see what you mean. I still think Jewish people have the short stick in this situation - but that does explain it better.

Out of interest, do you watch Revelation TV? You don't have to answer, but I find it a fantastic source with their Middle East report.

No, i am not getting mixed up as I wasn't talking about all Christians. I was talking about those people who support Israel and hold the beliefs that were explained above. That's my opinion which i am entitled to and I did put it forward respectfully.

Good for you. Looks like the weather is going to be fab x

I think you're getting mixed up here. Not everyone who supports Israel is Jewish or Christian (and not all Jews or Christians support what the Israel government are doing, not by any means).

In the same way, not all supporters for Palestine are Muslim, just because most Palestinians are Muslim. But for those who are, the religion of Islam also have their own version which is accept God (or Allah) or face Hell.

The majority of Palestinians are Muslim. But you wouldn't say Muslims around the world are "quite selfish" for supporting Palestine would you?