Palestine Action demo 9 August

You’ll make yourself silly if you make out having valid concerns about terrorism is some kind of personal failing.

The radical Islamists have alot of power if they have managed to divide and conquer the west. Some have blamed islamists, some have blamed the immigrants, who are you going to blame next for your woes?

How on earth is talking about radical islam (which exists) and is a threat and talking of the history going back years an 'immigrant bashing thread"! What on earth are you on about.

The radical Islamists have alot of power if they have managed to divide and conquer the west. Some have blamed islamists, some have blamed the immigrants, who are you going to blame next for your woes?

Has this thread now become one of those other immigrant bashing threads?

The fact is that we are not party to any real information at all. Even those with access to military/antiterrorist intelligence have a limited picture.

Have you ever been closely involved in a news-reported event? I have, a few times. What was astonishing was how each event was reported in the media. The story bore little relation to the truth. And that was just trivial stuff. The stakes are much higher in war, and everyone knows that both side use propaganda to further their cause.

I have a feeling that this particular war will go down in history as the watershed moment when the influence of social media became vividly apparent.

OK, we enjoy flaunting our views on here and digging our teeth into each other. It's all futile.

I have a sneaking suspicion that behind the scenes, no one knows what to do about Gaza. The spoken words of condemnation do not match up with actions. I suspect behind doors, a lot of countries (obviously not the many ME countries that want to see Israel obliterated) are more or less saying "Rather you than me."

Of course, I have no idea! And neither do any of us.

What bothers me is things like seeing "pro-Palestinian" marches in our capital city that were organised on 7 October 2023. Coincidence? Really? Seeing UK citizens who have never paid a moment's attention to ME politics suddenly "well informed" about a chaotic history that even a specialist historian has trouble unravelling. Noticing just the other night that a lot of posters on the CITME forum have absolutely no concept of what radical Islam is - how it has poisoned Gaza, how it seeks to destroy Israel, how it literally seeks global domination (I know this sounds bonkers! but there we are...) Seeing chants of "Death to the IDF!" greeted with applause at Glastonbury, supposedly a peaceful music festival, FFS. Seeing our own citizens marching in processions just after 7 Oct, chanting "From the river to the sea!" and innocently believing (I hope) that there is nothing harmful meant by it.

Call me weird for thinking that something is very wrong here.

Radical Islam is a threat to a lot of the world. We are sleep walking into a problem in the future which our grandchildren etc will have to cope with. Look at the majority of terrorism around the world and look at the perpetrators.

France has a growing problem with attacks and has been slow to wake up to the problem.

Well, things took a turn last night! I wasn't expecting to be discussing Jesus on this thread 😀 but it does show how a religious perspective can colour worldviews in a way that is no longer familiar to the largely secular UK population of the 21st century.

@Thelmaandloulou you said I was disappearing down a rabbithole of conspiracy theories, but I don't think so. A conspiracy is something hidden that requires careful investigation. Islamic jihad is a bit of an umbrella term for all sorts of things, but at its most extreme it makes absolutely no secret of wanting to impose Sharia law and seeking to dispose of anything that gets in the way of that (literally, "war on infidels"). Efforts in this direction are rewarded with Paradise, which means nothing to us but is a huge gilded carrot for those who believe in it.

This article describes the threat to Europe by individuals radicalised since Oct 2023 by online propaganda (including AI deepfake):
https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/new-report-terrorists-exploiting-global-tensions

Key figures from 2023:
120 terrorist incidents across seven EU Member States, including 98 completed attacks, 9 failed attempts, and 13 foiled plots, marking a significant rise from 2022.
6 fatalities and 12 injuries resulted from jihadist attacks, the deadliest form of terrorism in the EU.
426 arrests for terrorism-related offences were made across 22 Member States, with jihadist offences accounting for 78 % of the total.

It will be, errrrmmm, "interesting" to see what happens tomorrow. I hope as usual our home security has things under control. I really don't want to end up like France. We had a holiday in Brittany a couple of winters ago and were shocked to see the Christmas street market patrolled by dozens of gendarmes armed with MP5s. In shops like LIDL, the in/out doors were controlled so that no one could simultaneously enter/leave, and bags searched.

I believe I stand corrected that Jesus was a Jew.

Though I've just read that in Islam he is considered a Muslim so now I don't know again... there doesn't seem to be a consensus on this.

You're not concerned at terrorists, who seek to immobilise UK military aircraft?

We all know that - well those of us with our eyes wide open.

I sometimes listen to the Israel Guys on YT and their latest podcast re the situation now developing is well worth listening to. My blood runs cold when they say Hamas has said 'after the Jews then we're coming for the Christians' (at around 25 minutes into the video).

That's a shame, and should be something we Brits take note of.

A slight defection - I so miss going to Paris. I've travelled there, 6 times on my own and 2 times, accompanied. Such a beautiful city, which has been ruined by extremism.

The police are warning that people supporting Palestine Action can be arrested under the Terrorism Act may find themselves unable to work in education in the future or travel to the US.

So a pretty big sacrifice to support a group who attack police officers with sledgehammers.

How could Jesus be a Muslim hundreds of years before Islam existed?

Of course there’s a consensus on whether Jesus was Jewish. The Gospels telling of a Jewish man going around preaching to Jews quoting from Jewish texts, being claimed as the Jewish Messiah and being crucified as King of the Jews is a bit of a hint.

Well, things took a turn last night! I wasn't expecting to be discussing Jesus on this thread 😀 but it does show how a religious perspective can colour worldviews in a way that is no longer familiar to the largely secular UK population of the 21st century.

@Thelmaandloulou you said I was disappearing down a rabbithole of conspiracy theories, but I don't think so. A conspiracy is something hidden that requires careful investigation. Islamic jihad is a bit of an umbrella term for all sorts of things, but at its most extreme it makes absolutely no secret of wanting to impose Sharia law and seeking to dispose of anything that gets in the way of that (literally, "war on infidels"). Efforts in this direction are rewarded with Paradise, which means nothing to us but is a huge gilded carrot for those who believe in it.

This article describes the threat to Europe by individuals radicalised since Oct 2023 by online propaganda (including AI deepfake):
https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/new-report-terrorists-exploiting-global-tensions

Key figures from 2023:
120 terrorist incidents across seven EU Member States, including 98 completed attacks, 9 failed attempts, and 13 foiled plots, marking a significant rise from 2022.
6 fatalities and 12 injuries resulted from jihadist attacks, the deadliest form of terrorism in the EU.
426 arrests for terrorism-related offences were made across 22 Member States, with jihadist offences accounting for 78 % of the total.

It will be, errrrmmm, "interesting" to see what happens tomorrow. I hope as usual our home security has things under control. I really don't want to end up like France. We had a holiday in Brittany a couple of winters ago and were shocked to see the Christmas street market patrolled by dozens of gendarmes armed with MP5s. In shops like LIDL, the in/out doors were controlled so that no one could simultaneously enter/leave, and bags searched.