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Palestine Action demo 9 August

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Beachtastic · 06/08/2025 09:35

To my amazement, last night I discovered that some posters on MN think that "radical Islam" means simply "Muslim" 😬

I wonder if this explains why so many are unconcerned about who might be pulling the strings behind the "peace" rallies that were first organised on 7 October? Do they know what radical Islam is, how powerful it is, that it is widely acknowledged as the greatest threat to UK national security, that its intentions are clearly stated, that it is 10000000% different than simply observing Muslim faith?

Palestine Action are planning a rally in central London on Saturday and hope to overwhelm the police presence. Is anyone concerned about this? I'm worried that the seeds of civil unrest are being sown, without it being entirely clear who is sowing them.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-palestine-action-protest-b1241347.html

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quantumbutterfly · 16/08/2025 14:58

SpaceRaccoon · 16/08/2025 13:43

Meanwhile, in Belgium...

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1956307627480125485

I'm not even sure how that's legal, given that Europe in general has quite strict guardrails on freedom of speech.

Celebrating the ramallah lynchings. Nice. They're either evil or stupid- hard to tell.

SpaceRaccoon · 16/08/2025 13:43

Meanwhile, in Belgium...

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1956307627480125485

I'm not even sure how that's legal, given that Europe in general has quite strict guardrails on freedom of speech.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1956307627480125485

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 16/08/2025 09:47

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/16/im-proud-to-have-made-this-stand-over-60s-arrested-at-palestine-action-ban-protest-explain-their-decision Huge respect for these people! I agree with the guy who says he doesn’t necessarily agree with vandalism - I would be the same - but vandalism is not terrorism and changing the parameters of what a terrorist is doesn’t just affect Palestinian protestors.

It is an attack on civil liberties to outlaw peaceful protest. A lot of changes were snuck in during the last few years and many people are unaware that they could be arrested for demonstrating for other causes too! One protestor I heard interviewed previously worked for the government and said he had been worried about the gradual erosion of civil liberties under successive governments. These are not old hippies - they are highly educated individuals - people who worked within government, heads of corporations, army personnel, lawyers, doctors etc…

‘I’m proud to have made this stand’: over-60s arrested at Palestine Action ban protest explain their decision

From a retired British colonel to a Catholic priest, half of the 532 people arrested in Parliament Square were 60 or older. Many believe they had a greater share of responsibility to take in defending the right to free speech

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/16/im-proud-to-have-made-this-stand-over-60s-arrested-at-palestine-action-ban-protest-explain-their-decision

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 06:28

Stripes56 · 15/08/2025 22:07

I agree with suggestions in the press that this might be because older people may be more likely not to fear a criminal record for work reasons nor care about travelling to the U.S.

Dont think it’s because “protestor hobbyists” only exist in the older generations.

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Definitely not that “protester hobbyists” only exist in older generation.

It’s a silly thing to get a criminal record over when you can protest in other ways. Makes more sense for older people who have retired.

Stripes56 · 15/08/2025 22:07

Twiglets1 · 14/08/2025 23:11

Half of those arrested were aged 60 or over... make of that what you will.

I agree with suggestions in the press that this might be because older people may be more likely not to fear a criminal record for work reasons nor care about travelling to the U.S.

Dont think it’s because “protestor hobbyists” only exist in the older generations.

Stripes56 · 15/08/2025 21:55

TwoWheelz · 15/08/2025 00:15

This is interesting https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72 www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72]]]]

Also interesting- in addition the European union and Amnesty International seem to think that proscription is overstepping

Id like to know more about the real reasons behind labelling PA a terrorist group. Maybe then I’d understand why the U.K. government has taken steps which limit freedom of speech and limit peaceful protest.

There are human rights group also suggesting that the judicial review about the proscription occurs before those charged gets to court - particularly, as the following article points out, it may create judicial chaos otherwise.

“One of the reasons Mr Justice Chamberlain gave for granting permission at the high court for a judicial review of the proscription was that those charged with criminal offences under the act might seek to challenge the legality of the proscription order individually when tried. Criminal courts might reach different decisions, creating “a recipe for chaos”, he said.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/15/palestine-action-prosecutions-should-be-suspended-uk-rights-groups

Palestine Action prosecutions should be suspended, say UK rights groups

Campaigners tell attorney general that proceeding with trials before judicial review raises legal and moral questions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/15/palestine-action-prosecutions-should-be-suspended-uk-rights-groups

Beachtastic · 15/08/2025 07:59

TwoWheelz · 15/08/2025 00:15

This is interesting https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72 www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72]]]]

Also interesting- in addition the European union and Amnesty International seem to think that proscription is overstepping

Id like to know more about the real reasons behind labelling PA a terrorist group. Maybe then I’d understand why the U.K. government has taken steps which limit freedom of speech and limit peaceful protest.

Have you RTFT?

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TwoWheelz · 15/08/2025 00:15

This is interesting https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72 www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72]]]]

Also interesting- in addition the European union and Amnesty International seem to think that proscription is overstepping

Id like to know more about the real reasons behind labelling PA a terrorist group. Maybe then I’d understand why the U.K. government has taken steps which limit freedom of speech and limit peaceful protest.

Dangermoo · 14/08/2025 23:15

Twiglets1 · 14/08/2025 23:11

Half of those arrested were aged 60 or over... make of that what you will.

A lot of them have never grown up. Too busy chasing crusades and shaming others into not sharing their conscience. I keep a wide berth from protestor hobbyists.

Twiglets1 · 14/08/2025 23:11

Dangermoo · 14/08/2025 22:58

A picture paints a thousand words. Look at the useful idiot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wn5gdv0wgo.amp

Half of those arrested were aged 60 or over... make of that what you will.

Supersimkin7 · 10/08/2025 22:54

What about Hate Jews? Snappy and accurate.

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 19:08

NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 19:07

I believe many organisations do that, especially dodgy ones with aims that are not as straight forward as some would hope for to confuse people.

They would be more honest if they called themselves Destroy Israel or the Destroy Israel Group, or even the Destroy Western Culture group... but that doesn't have quite the same lofty idealistic connotations.

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NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 19:07

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 19:04

I just checked and they are essentially the same organisation, just known by different names... surprise!

I believe many organisations do that, especially dodgy ones with aims that are not as straight forward as some would hope for to confuse people.

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 19:04

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 18:50

Sorry, my bad - it was't Palestine Action who arranged that first London demo, it was the Palestine Action Group! But to be honest I've given up differentiating between them as they're clearly helping each other out... PAG arranged yesterday's demo so that elderly Brits could score martyrdrom Brownie points on PA's behalf. Fantastic PR as usual.

If you are asking specifially about Palestine Action, then what do you make of Yvette Cooper's comments about them?

I just checked and they are essentially the same organisation, just known by different names... surprise!

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NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:55

I mean if the people sat with signs really wanted to help they could volunteer:

"For those interested in making a positive impact, we highly recommend contacting UNRWA to inquire about internship and volunteer programs. Indeed, engaging with Palestinian children, women, and refugees in Gaza through such programs can contribute significantly to humanitarian efforts in the region." There you go, rather than sit on the floor with a sign supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation that participants have attacked people with sledgehammers, caused millions in damage to military property and whose actions have not made the slightest difference to the people of Gaza.

Dangermoo · 10/08/2025 18:53

NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:46

I imagine terrorists love people like the lame supporters of PA. A right ramble of helpful people supporting their cause of wiping out jews and pushing their Islamic extreme ways. They could just bugger off to Gaza and actually hand out food, offer any aid support etc but standing with signs supporting a proscribed terrorist group.... I mean any sleeper cells here might see that as a sign of agreeing with more extreme action.... and then take action.

These people don't even believe they are being played. They would far rather believe Free Palestine literally means freeing Palestinians from the evil clutches of Israel. From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free. Very clever for the crusaders to lead with just Free Palestine. It allows them to expouse their cause, without their dopey followers being let in on its real purpose. I find it particularly sad when I see young people chanting it. If only they knew.

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 18:50

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 18:41

I think some of us consider the plight of the Palestinians to result directly and indirectly from the actions and ideology of Hamas, and Palestine Action is probably in cahoots with them... considering they planned their first London demo on 7 October (for the following weekend), among other things.

By all means lend your support to them if you prefer to point the finger at Israel and ignore any potential security threat to the UK. That's exactly what they want you to do.

Sorry, my bad - it was't Palestine Action who arranged that first London demo, it was the Palestine Action Group! But to be honest I've given up differentiating between them as they're clearly helping each other out... PAG arranged yesterday's demo so that elderly Brits could score martyrdrom Brownie points on PA's behalf. Fantastic PR as usual.

If you are asking specifially about Palestine Action, then what do you make of Yvette Cooper's comments about them?

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NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:46

Dangermoo · 10/08/2025 18:43

Terrorists despise weak people - that's the irony.

I imagine terrorists love people like the lame supporters of PA. A right ramble of helpful people supporting their cause of wiping out jews and pushing their Islamic extreme ways. They could just bugger off to Gaza and actually hand out food, offer any aid support etc but standing with signs supporting a proscribed terrorist group.... I mean any sleeper cells here might see that as a sign of agreeing with more extreme action.... and then take action.

Dangermoo · 10/08/2025 18:43

NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:41

They aren't supporting the plight of Palestinians though. How on earth does damaging property in the UK, causing millions of pounds worth of extra work for the police who are already stretched, getting in the way of ordinary people trying to earn a living (just because lots of them have money and nothing else to do).

They could just stand and support an end to the war, the release of hostages but no they have to support a terrorist organisation. It really doesn't do anything to help the people of Gaza at all, no matter how you twist it, it really doesn't.

They are causing mayhem in a country that has no control over the war there. Trump is really the only person who can influence what occurs with the war. Therefor they are stupid and useful idiots to terrorists who wish to gain support in a western country.

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Terrorists despise weak people - that's the irony.

Dangermoo · 10/08/2025 18:42

Stripes56 · 10/08/2025 18:34

I really wonder what those so derogatory of those supporting the PA hope to achieve? That they are so stupid/ foolish etc etc.

Does it make them feel better that some supporting the plight of Palestinians are facing consequences of the law- as if this belittles the level of concerns held by most people about the plight of Palestinians and the behaviour of the IDF and Israeli government.

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It's because they are naive. Simple.

NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:41

Stripes56 · 10/08/2025 18:34

I really wonder what those so derogatory of those supporting the PA hope to achieve? That they are so stupid/ foolish etc etc.

Does it make them feel better that some supporting the plight of Palestinians are facing consequences of the law- as if this belittles the level of concerns held by most people about the plight of Palestinians and the behaviour of the IDF and Israeli government.

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They aren't supporting the plight of Palestinians though. How on earth does damaging property in the UK, causing millions of pounds worth of extra work for the police who are already stretched, getting in the way of ordinary people trying to earn a living (just because lots of them have money and nothing else to do).

They could just stand and support an end to the war, the release of hostages but no they have to support a terrorist organisation. It really doesn't do anything to help the people of Gaza at all, no matter how you twist it, it really doesn't.

They are causing mayhem in a country that has no control over the war there. Trump is really the only person who can influence what occurs with the war. Therefor they are stupid and useful idiots to terrorists who wish to gain support in a western country.

Beachtastic · 10/08/2025 18:41

Stripes56 · 10/08/2025 18:34

I really wonder what those so derogatory of those supporting the PA hope to achieve? That they are so stupid/ foolish etc etc.

Does it make them feel better that some supporting the plight of Palestinians are facing consequences of the law- as if this belittles the level of concerns held by most people about the plight of Palestinians and the behaviour of the IDF and Israeli government.

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I think some of us consider the plight of the Palestinians to result directly and indirectly from the actions and ideology of Hamas, and Palestine Action is probably in cahoots with them... considering they planned their first London demo on 7 October (for the following weekend), among other things.

By all means lend your support to them if you prefer to point the finger at Israel and ignore any potential security threat to the UK. That's exactly what they want you to do.

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Stripes56 · 10/08/2025 18:34

I really wonder what those so derogatory of those supporting the PA hope to achieve? That they are so stupid/ foolish etc etc.

Does it make them feel better that some supporting the plight of Palestinians are facing consequences of the law- as if this belittles the level of concerns held by most people about the plight of Palestinians and the behaviour of the IDF and Israeli government.

NoSoundbitesPlease · 10/08/2025 18:29

Gloriia · 10/08/2025 14:47

Exactly why would they have done it if it was just a bit of vandalism, obviously they have more intelligence on the group.

All those hapless folk with signs saying they support them. Terrorists must piss themselves laughing at us.

This. Terrorists with 'Queers for Palestine', middle class pompous lovies, GT and her band of merry non binary, I mean they wouldn't last 5 mins under sharia law.