Palestine Action demo 9 August

Yes, I'm yet to be afraid of Jews / Jewish terrorism. Funny how the pro Israel protests aren't violent either

please see article in NY Times - headline below

The New York Times
May 26, 2025
No Proof Hamas Routinely tole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say
Natan Odenheimer

There is no massacre, and with Hamas infiltrating the aid queues people getting shot is very, very likely to be a legitimate military response to a threat.

You're right pro-Israelis aren't generally called useful idiots but they are routinely called genocide deniers and supporters, baby killers, supporters of apartheid, racists. The dehumanisation comes from the lack of empathy for ordinary Israelis, the ignoring of the suffering of the hostages, denial of the reality of 7 October, complete denial of the way the war affects ordinary Israelis, and the expectation that Israel must act to the highest standards despite the trauma they are living through.

I totally get that. I'm just worried that the "stop the killing" messages are all rather one-way and without properly understanding what Israel is up against (and not just from Gaza), and knowing that the London rallies were initiated on 7 October, I wish people were slightly more wary of what else might be in play here. It is really, really hard to get our minds around a jihadi perspective because it is just so alien to our culture. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean it doesn't matter, and it was a real eye-opener to me last night when I realised that a big piece of the jigsaw is missing for so many people. No wonder we all fight like cat and dog on here!!!!!!!!

I know you're coming from a good place. Sleep well (I know I'm going to!) 😊

Fascinates me that someone can dehumanise Palestinians so much that supporting them not being brutally bombed and starved is merely "adding to their portfolio".
That they could not have seen and heard of the suffering and made up their own mind that no human being should be treated this way .

That's not how I see it, at all. You'd have to be a psychopath not to be heartbroken by images of dead and dying children. How can you not empathise with a population under siege? But please be wary of this sort of thing being used to manipulate your feelings. There is more than one population under siege, and both sides are powerful.

The reason I started this thread is that there seems to be an important blind spot among Western "pro-Palestinians" (for want of a better word; we are all driven crazy in all directions by this hideous conflict). The reason Hamas have been able to control the narrative on Western social media is by immediately presenting it as a long-overdue rebellion against Israeli domination. The Western mind is primed to understand this, but not the crude "religious" (actually a perversion of Islam) dogma that actually inspired the attack and that now continues to pose a threat... and perhaps not just to Israel.

We tend to view things in terms of oppressor and underdog, and without a full understanding of radical Islam (which is absolutely beyond our comprehension) it is easy to oversimplify the situation.

You're right pro-Israelis aren't generally called useful idiots but they are routinely called genocide deniers and supporters, baby killers, supporters of apartheid, racists. The dehumanisation comes from the lack of empathy for ordinary Israelis, the ignoring of the suffering of the hostages, denial of the reality of 7 October, complete denial of the way the war affects ordinary Israelis, and the expectation that Israel must act to the highest standards despite the trauma they are living through.

The list of academics posted was foreigners attempting to overturn a vote in our parliament to declare as terrorists group who have, among other things, attacked policemen with a sledge hammer and jeopardised our national security.

It's nothing to do with supporting Palestinians and tbh I suspect that they, like some people on this thread, know fuck all about this particular group and have merely been told that they are being proscribed for 'protesting genocide'.

No I haven't noticed that dehumanizing of the Israeli people at all. They are players on the world stage like every other country. Israel has been aided, abetted and supported by both the EU and the US. They have received no actual sanctions for their behavior over the past 20 months and can still participate in sporting and other entertainment events . Their citizens can still travel the world.

Supporting Israel is seen as supporting the country and it's people, no one calls Pro Israelis virtue signaller or useful idiots and reduces their support as hopping on a bandwagon.

So no I don't see them having being dehumanised in the way pp spoke about, that supporting them is just a trendy cause because no one actually cares about Palestinians do they, they just want to punish Israel?

Fascinates me that someone can dehumanise Palestinians so much that supporting them not being brutally bombed and starved is merely "adding to their portfolio".
That they could not have seen and heard of the suffering and made up their own mind that no human being should be treated this way .

Who do you think is aiding and abetting Hamas? Clue: They're not short of a few bob.

Haven't you noticed the very clever and systematic "dehumanisation" of Israel over the past couple of years? (I know how you're going to answer this.) It is such a shame you can't see this or understand quite what they are up against. It's not just continuous bombardment from Gaza, nor even the violent sadism of 7 October, nor even the deliberate cruelty of e.g. starving Evyatar David and forcing him back into captivity to dig his own grave after watching the release of other hostages, nor ... I could go on. Israel is a tiny country facing a very specific threat, wider and more powerful than its immediate neighbour, that it seems no one on here can even be bothered to find out more about. I'ts a threat that potentially extends to Europe. And still no one can be bothered to read more.

I've been driving all day. If you can't be bothered to read a link to clear information from a valid source, that's up to you.