Palestine Action demo 9 August

What bothers me is things like seeing "pro-Palestinian" marches in our capital city that were organised on 7 October 2023. Coincidence? Really? Seeing UK citizens who have never paid a moment's attention to ME politics suddenly "well informed" about a chaotic history that even a specialist historian has trouble unravelling. Noticing just the other night that a lot of posters on the CITME forum have absolutely no concept of what radical Islam is - how it has poisoned Gaza, how it seeks to destroy Israel, how it literally seeks global domination (I know this sounds bonkers! but there we are...)

It’s not bonkers at all, it’s the entirely logical conclusion of what is happening at the moment. We have 40,000 people on our terrorism watch list and yet we think it’s a great idea to let tens of thousands of unvetted men from high risk terror countries pour into the UK. We’ve had numerous terror attacks since 9/11 resulting in the deaths of over 100 people, 84 sharia courts operating without any resistance whatsoever, and people are in hiding for ‘religious blasphemy’.

The useful idiots cheering on the creation of another Sharia terrorist state are utterly nuts, and frankly only hold this opinion as they’re insulated by the British authorities and forces which are the only things standing between them and a terrifying new reality.

I honestly think the awful events in Gaza are something of a Trojan horse, to sneak Islamist ideas through off the back of the suffering.

It is all incredibly worrying and the useful idiots won’t wake up to it until it’s too late. If they think the UK is ‘far right’ they would be in for a treat under radical Islam.

I share your concerns.

Europe is vulnerable to a new kind of fascism that it doesn't recognise because it doesn't match up with the one we have experienced just about within living memory (my surviving parent was at school during WW2 and I was born shortly after it). We think we know what to look out for. This is utterly alien to Western culture.

According to numerous polls carried out in various European countries. Feel free to research them.

OK... 😂

Because you aren't personally going to be a victim of Jewish terrorists are you? If you were living in Palestine getting attacked by Jewish extremists then you would be. www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-5137001/violence-by-extremist-israeli-settlers-increases-in-the-occupied-west-bank

Increasing minority, according to whom? What biased sources are we going to see. I will also answer your question, above, about those useful idiots. They are the usual ignorant rent a mob white saviours, who embarrass themselves by jumping on bandwagons, carrying the same uneducated passengers. In this sense, uneducated means devoid of any knowledge of the ME region, which extends beyond calling Israel genocidal maniacs. Elsewhere, somebody has just misunderstood Zionism. I've seen videos of the usual mob calling Jewish people Zionist c*s. Those are the people I referred to in the post you questioned.

The fact is that we are not party to any real information at all. Even those with access to military/antiterrorist intelligence have a limited picture.

Have you ever been closely involved in a news-reported event? I have, a few times. What was astonishing was how each event was reported in the media. The story bore little relation to the truth. And that was just trivial stuff. The stakes are much higher in war, and everyone knows that both side use propaganda to further their cause.

I have a feeling that this particular war will go down in history as the watershed moment when the influence of social media became vividly apparent.

OK, we enjoy flaunting our views on here and digging our teeth into each other. It's all futile.

I have a sneaking suspicion that behind the scenes, no one knows what to do about Gaza. The spoken words of condemnation do not match up with actions. I suspect behind doors, a lot of countries (obviously not the many ME countries that want to see Israel obliterated) are more or less saying "Rather you than me."

Of course, I have no idea! And neither do any of us.

What bothers me is things like seeing "pro-Palestinian" marches in our capital city that were organised on 7 October 2023. Coincidence? Really? Seeing UK citizens who have never paid a moment's attention to ME politics suddenly "well informed" about a chaotic history that even a specialist historian has trouble unravelling. Noticing just the other night that a lot of posters on the CITME forum have absolutely no concept of what radical Islam is - how it has poisoned Gaza, how it seeks to destroy Israel, how it literally seeks global domination (I know this sounds bonkers! but there we are...) Seeing chants of "Death to the IDF!" greeted with applause at Glastonbury, supposedly a peaceful music festival, FFS. Seeing our own citizens marching in processions just after 7 Oct, chanting "From the river to the sea!" and innocently believing (I hope) that there is nothing harmful meant by it.

Call me weird for thinking that something is very wrong here.

Yes, I'm yet to be afraid of Jews / Jewish terrorism. Funny how the pro Israel protests aren't violent either

Israel is carrying out a genocide in Gaza. At what point are you going to open your eyes and realise? How long will you choose to stay blind to it?

At what point will you accept that you are in a decreasing minority of people who refuse to see the truth?

I think what I've realised is that... people just don't realise.

We are saturated with media and much of it is filtered by algorithms. It is very easy to get a distorted picture, especially when Hamas are so adept at controlling the narrative to suit their ends.

I feel really sad for the way kind-hearted people are being manipulated. It's like watching an abusive relationship from afar.

The names say it all. Useful idiots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3enyvge4no.amp

Yes @Dangermoo, but I'm quite excited about having identified this major gap in the puzzle. It explains such a lot.

It means that discussions on the CITME board have been a bit like discussing WW2 without any grasp of the general rise of fascism in Germany, Italy, Hungary, Spain and Japan (just need to transpose that on to Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Algeria, Libya, Qatar, and arguably Turkey).

This would have been complicated further if the Nazis had just been a terrorist group unidentifiable by uniform and boosted by civilian mobs.

The nature of social media content is that it is controlled by the algorithms of what individuals have engaged with already, which is strongly exploited by Hamas and Hezbollah's sophisticated social media strategies.

It's no wonder people have such a skewed picture. If this thread can prompt even just one "pro-Palestinian" poster to research a little more into what's at stake here for Israel and possibly Europe, and understand the fascist threat unfolding right under our noses, then I can die happy (hopefully not just yet) 😀

www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-hamass-and-hezbollahs-uses-information-technology