Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

No it shows how desperate the situation has become because aid was blocked for 3 months. The region needs to be flooded with aid to address the shortage. The UN at least managed to distribute aid without killing people

Nothing to say about Netanyahu abetting a criminal gangs to loot aid?

I do think if there had been a lot of vocal calls on these protests for Hamas to step down, surrender and release the hostages, that would have weakened their position and ultimately led to fewer civilian casualties.

Hamas care a lot about winning the propaganda war and would have been forced to either 'rebrand' as slightly less murderous and indifferent to the deaths of their own people, or ultimately sufficient international pressure would have led them to slink away to Qatar or wherever and give up power in Gaza.

So IMO this type of support has ultimately been damaging to Gazans and cost a lot of lives, because it's so clear these people pay lip service (at best) to condemning Hamas, rather than making it clear they are dead in the water.

Shows the UN are not fit for aid distribution.

Ah so aided and abetted by Netanyahu.

My bad, it’s Abu Shabab
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/s/VUkjoEMcVZ

This has been covered before on the threads. (Can't remember which one) The trucks are getting intercepted by people desperate for aid, not Hamas, and the majority happened straight after the blockade. Desperate people do desperate things.

Videos of the trucks commandeered by Hamas being driven at high speed though Gaza
Are there videos of Hamas driving the trucks at high speeds? The roads are rubble so that's a pretty mean feat .

Yes, really.
https://app.un2720.org/tracking/intercepted

clicking on the buttons on the left will show how many made it to their intended destination, and now many didn’t.

You can't fight a war with only one side.

What's the term I use when someone is deflecting a discussion because their point doesn't stand up to scrutiny... you can't kid a kidder.

What's that term I frequently using? - I don't buy what you're buying.

Your claims aren't backed up so you move onto something else, rather than admit you are wrong?

The New York Times, amongst other biased sources, are responsible for much distortion of live events. They made an irresponsible inaccurate report, for which they never apologised, having acknowled their error. I have never seen such a situation take global hold. Frightening is a good word to use.

Yes because Hamas just love their own people, don't they. Sources are horses for courses.

Really?

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

My nervousness around this whole issue was actually triggered by MN in the immediate aftermath of 7 Oct. So many threads seething with anti-Israel vitriol and downright lies, never retracted. Posts in Israel's defence deleted promptly. It must have been difficult for the moderators to keep on top of things, but something went very, very wrong and I am certain that Hamas propaganda played a direct part in shaping views from that point on.

Can you link this information?

The truth doesn't sit well. Good to see you back x

Who has the power now? Who was using funds and resources to maintain the fight, rather than make a two state solution work? Who was helping another race to get work permits and improve their lives? Who broke a ceasefire to carry out a slaughter? Oh, I'm looking at things honestly. I'm just not seeing things as simply as you. Palestinians- the genuine civilians - cannot win in this battle. Their fate is not all at the hands of Israel. Hamas do not want peace. The community, which supports them, does not want peace. Hamas won't let their own people have access to food without a heavy price. It serves their purpose to see starvation and let the world have access to selective commentary. You cannot reason with them.

There are recent reports that most of the aid send by UN are being intercepted by Hamas.
Videos of the trucks commandeered by Hamas being driven at high speed though Gaza.

Then they sell it to the Gazans.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-leaked-email-that-blows-apart-the-bbcs-impartiality-claims-over-gaza/

I think the impartiality has deepened over the years - the article above demonstrates this.

There needs to be a lot more reasoned debate around this complex issue. The bias on some of the threads is blatantly anti Semitic, but I say with a small A as I don't think they have any insight into their own perspectives.

You keep accusing me of hypocrisy, but you’ve yet to actually engage with the content I shared- or acknowledge the very real and well-documented dehumanisation Palestinians face right now. That’s not bias: that’s witnessing.

I haven’t denied Jewish historical suffering or Arab antisemitism where it exists. I’ve explicitly condemned Hamas. But saying “Arab countries don’t want Jews to exist” is inflammatry, not an honest analysis. It flattens history, ignores the diversity of Arab-Jewish coexistence across centuries, and erases the fact that several Arab nations have diplomatic ties with Israel today.

Your refusal to acknowledge Israeli racism or war crimes, while insisting that Arab antisemitism is the defining feature of this conflict, shows a selective moral lens.

Man-made starvation, siege, and mass civilian deaths are not “props”- they are crimes affecting real children, in real time.

And if your position can’t handle a basic request- to comment on a video showing casual genocidal language toward Palestinians - why?

This isn’t about who has suffered more. It’s about who has the power now, and how that power is being used. It is you who is refusing to look at that honestly.

I'm not looking at anything that negates dehumanising of one race, while asserting that dehumanising another is taking place. You don't even see your hypocrisy. However, your comment about this merely being historical, goes some way to explaining the ignorance around what's happening. You are looking at this in isolation of relevant historical facts, which have steered the region to where it is now.

ETA this man made starvation is also a prop in the scene which has been set.

Your response is a perfect example of what I was talking about: rather than addressing the dehumanisation in the present, it shifts focus to centuries-old history as justification.

Yes, I’m aware of historical complexities- persecution has existed in many directions throughout the region. But guess what? That STILL doesn’t excuse or justify man-made starvation (including the starvation of nearly 1 million children)…which is a war crime.

Pointing out systemic abuses by a government doesn’t mean denying the pain or persecution others have faced historically.

You also still haven’t answered the question I asked: what do you make of the video I shared, and the attitudes it reflects? Because it seems easier for you to accuse me of bias than to actually engage with the dehumanisation of the Palestinians by Israel.

What's your source? Many people are against the Israeli government's forced starvation, genocide and settlers stealing land. It doesn't make them Hamas supporters.