Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

After witnessing image after image of starving/malnourished babies and children this week, I have not much left to say.

but: “This cartoon really captures the moral distortion we keep seeing — where starving Palestinian children are still met with demands to ‘condemn Hamas’ before their suffering is acknowledged.”

This sounds about right.

I live in Scotland and, for some reason, we seem to have inherited the brain rot that is sectarianism.

It’s alive and well in my city, and a good majority of those taking part in the Pro-Palestine protests are ultras belonging to a certain football team.

The other side are equally as problematic, albeit I don’t think they care about the Israel/Palestine conflict to the same extent. They are certainly problematic in other ways.

These people have been primed for hatred and bigotry, so it’s no great surprise, really.

This thread would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

Snap @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend I was typing at the same time as you.

@LadyCankleOfGrantham
"I was talking about the leaders who’ve spoke out about the curriculum.So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education"

No because they are not. If they haven't been taught that particular lesson which was the only thing the leaders spoke out about.

Are you interested in the states on antisemitism in Ireland? This is the third time I’ve asked so I’m assuming not.
Send them on so , (I presume you mean stats)

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate? It’s not the only country, or even the most recent country with “stolen land”. So why do Irish people care so much about this specific country and not others?

I don't have space on this thread for 800 years of history but suffice to say there are massive parallels between the two countries. Even down to Balfour being involved in the both countries and the same Black and Tans regiments terrorising Ireland and the Palestinians.

And I don’t see genocide in Gaza, its conflict perpetrated by a terrorist state. Much like how Magdalene laundries aren’t actually a genocide, but me saying it doesn’t make it true (I think you missed my irony there). Both are humanitarian crises, much like the many happening the world over. They are not a genocide.

You brought up the "genocide of teenage girls" in a completely unironic way so I am not at all understanding why you have decided to twist this (perhaps because you were wrong?)

So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education
They're not. Where's your evidence they are?

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate?
It goes back to British mandate Palestine when the same soldiers and officers that terrorised the Irish then went on to terrorise the Palestinians. Many of the same British colonial officials served in both places.

I was talking about the leaders who’ve spoke out about the curriculum.So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education

Are you interested in the states on antisemitism in Ireland? This is the third time I’ve asked so I’m assuming not.

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate? It’s not the only country, or even the most recent country with “stolen land”. So why do Irish people care so much about this specific country and not others?

We know the answer. You can choose to be deluded about it if you like.

And I don’t see genocide in Gaza, its conflict perpetrated by a terrorist state. Much like how Magdalene laundries aren’t actually a genocide, but me saying it doesn’t make it true (I think you missed my irony there). Both are humanitarian crises, much like the many happening the world over. They are not a genocide.

Impact SE (Israeli non profit)wrote the report about Anti semitism in the Irish Curriculum. It is the report that is used when discussing anti semitism in the books in the Irish Curriculum.

World Jewish Congress denounced the INTO teaching materials called "Talk about Palestine". That is not curriculum. It is an optional teaching material produced by the teachers union.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, such a group.

While the atrocities of the Magdalen Laundries in Ireland and England are a huge stain on the society I cannot understand how it would fit into the definition above can you?
(Also it wasn't just teenage girls it was a wide section of ages and backgrounds)

yes.

What would you call it? Penance?

The World Jewish Congress is an Israeli non-profit?

Ate you sure?

But let’s pretend you’re right. Because it’s Israeli it must be a lie?

Have YOU read it? Are you interested in the rates of Jews, real people, experiencing antisemitism in Ireland? Or are Those pesky Jews playing victim again amirite.

This is why I’m not buying the whole “Us Irish support Palestine as we can relate, it happened to us!”. Just say what it’s really about.

Yes.

Are you referring to the Magdalen Laundries as a "genocide of teenage girls"?

I never said you did?
"Perhaps look at the stats and listen to the Jewish leaders who’ve spoken about how’s there’s antisemitism in Irish curriculum?"

Did you not know the report they were referring too?
It's by Impact -SE an Israeli non profit .

Do you?

I didn’t post any links

Do you know what genocide means?

The one you referenced in your post about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. I presumed you had read it since you posted about it.

Also - what report are you referring to?

To what an Irish person dismiss genocide of teenage girls in living memory is disappointing. My GPs were Irish and I heard horrific tales of what happened in the Catholic Church (which is why I renounced my Catholicism decades ago).

So you don’t want to see stats on antisemitism in Ireland? Or hear about the alarming number of Sinn Fein TDs who support Hitler?

But sure no antisemitism to see here!

Have you read the whole report?

And to hear someone is not Irish dismiss an event that shaped Irish history and culture and population as "not in living memory" so we shouldn't talk about it.
No way Jose is right.

The famine isn’t in living memory, I’m amazed they aren’t working to be outraged about more recent Irish curated disasters.

Are you Jewish? If not it’s not up to you to decide if Ireland is antisemitic. Are you interested in looking at data around this?

But hearing an Irish person call Jewish people “over the top” when they talk about being victims definitely isn’t peddling an antisemitic trope. No way Jose!

Actually Ireland is in more of a position to speak out than anyone else because they called our genocide by a coloniser a famine too.

I completely reject any idea that Ireland is largely anti semitic. Our history is very much mirrored in what we see as the Palestinian struggle.

(Oh and that report is completely over the top : as a teacher I have read the whole thing and I have never seen such nitpicking)