Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

They wouldn't want a ceasefire or to 'Stop the War' if Hamas were winning.

Unfortunately the complete and utter fuckwits Starmer, Macron and Carney have just incentivised Hamas to carry on being evil sadists.

Given that the Palestinians have repeatedly shown it is more important to them that the Jews don't have a state than to have a state of their own, creating a Palestinian state will not stop the violence in any way.

I didn’t say they were essentially harmless 🙄

Hamas has armed fighters but isn’t a national army of a recognized state. Israel has a formal military with jets and nukes.

It’s important to recognise the difference between a state’s official military- which operates under internationally recognised laws and accountability- and a non-state militant group like Hamas.

They can't let aid in from Egypt because Isreal is blocking it.

They aren't accepting refugees into Egypt for 2 reasons: one is the same as Israel - security concerns, the other is that it gives the green light for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

I do appreciate that this is an incredibly challenging issue to solve, and that's in the abstract, sitting 1000s of miles away. Israelis are being asked to find the best way to accommodate continuing to share a border (in a peaceful manner) with a populace that are highly radicalized and many of whom harbor genocidal intent towards Jews, which recently manifested on October 7. We have to recognize the gravity of that but, at the same time, if the alternative is ethnic cleansing, that's not an acceptable (or legal) course either.

I'd also question whether ethnic cleansing into Egypt solves much of anything from Israel's perspective, and could even make a more dangerous situation for Israel going forwards.

Do you know why security is so tight at airports? It's not fear of Israeli terrorists.

www.counterextremism.com/terror-targets/airports-and-airplanes-targets

What did you mean when you said Palestine had “no army”?

It was very clearly implied.

I wasn't talking about anti semitism I was giving one example for the link between the Palestine and Ireland with elements of shared history.

I'm not sure about your second paragraph, I don't know about that again I was just talking about the link between the two countries in the 1920's.

That’s not what I said though ?

We will have to agree to disagree. I see heaps on antisemitism coming out of Ireland. I see VERY dangerously antisemites and bro-Nazi TDs. And to say that calling Auschwitz a POW camp is not antisemitic is naive, or obtuse. Diluting the seriousness of the Holocaust is a form of Holocaust denial - which is about as antisemitic as you can get.

Given you apparently know there’s antisemitism in Ireland, do you make an effort to not be antisemitic in your support to Palestine? Because you’ve effectively already called Jews Israelis liars exaggerators. Stating Jews play the victim is a trope as old as time and one used firecely in Nazi literature. Just so you know. I hope you Hope to do better

Hamas is quite clearly an army. An army of terrorists.

They invaded a country on 7 October and managed to massacre over 1,000, by hand, and take another 250 people hostage.

But yeah, essentially harmless.

I don't think infantilising Gaza is justified, much though the Hamas propaganda wants us to view them all as innocent children.

What i mean is an accurate analogy would have the child starting the fire. And the child would be an adult. Gaza is not a state of children

Whats going on in Gaza is terrible. It really is. But laying the blame entirely at Israel’s door is frankly dumb and uneducated

My analogy doesn’t say the child started the fire.

I guess you could say the UK supplied some petrol.

Here’s a video of some children in Gaza struggling to collect leaking water from beneath a water truck amid worsening hunger and thirst due to the ongoing Israeli starvation campaign:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM3d2YQNtMS/?igsh=MWo5bnI3MTI2azNxNA==

I have never said anything was fake news did I? The Jewish community in Ireland is very small (around 2700 I think) and I think most are in Dublin, there is a Jewish school there. Their voice is very important and there have been incidents of anti semitism. This is undeniable. This does not indicate however Ireland is anti semitic as a whole which was the statement you made I took issue with .

The reason I spoke about the antisemitism in the curriculum was because there is a report on this and I have read it all as I have taught using some of the books that were spoken about so I would always try to do better. However I felt many of the issues raised were not examples of anti semitism for eg calling Auschwitz a prisoner of war camp instead of a concentration camps which is wrong I agree, in the same chapter however it refers to the Holocaust as one of the most tragic and evil actions in History.The Holocaust is taught extensively in primary and secondary school.

What evidence do you have for anti semitic literature in the Irish Curriculum?

They’re certainly a wealthy and well resourced army who managed to carry out a huge massacre less than 2 years ago and have an impressive arsenal of weapons for a starving defenceless country.

Probably wasn’t very wise though that such an apparently armyless state started a war with the state that has F-35 jets.

You don’t think Hamas is an army?!

Maybe because one side has F-35 jets and a nuclear arsenal- and the other has starving civilians and no army?

So despite the fact that they could get refugees out and aid in, they don’t have any responsibility to Israel…but the UK do?

Riddle me that.

Also your analogy doesn’t work. In your analogy the child starts the fire

It is odd that pro-Palestinians never mention Egypt.

I wonder why.

So @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend and @Martymcfly24 - you don’t believe that there is antisemitic literature in Irish curriculum despite evidence to the contrary? Why not? And do you REALLY care to find out more about how Jews in Ireland are feeling right now, or will you say it’s fake news too?

The OP is referring to the Black and Tans , a vicious section of the British Army. They were brutal in Ireland during the War of Independence, one of the worst incidents was the shooting of 14 innocent people (including 3 children)when they came on the pitch at a match in Croke Park in 1920.
Following the Anglo Irish Treaty in 1921 many were recruited into the British Mandates Palestine Police force where Winston Churchill hoped they would use the same violent acts to suppress the Palestinian resistance.

Sorry just to add this is often cited as one of the reasons for the links between the two countries.

Very interesting that you see Gaza as the child and Israel as the adult. Why?

Saying “Egypt should just open the border” is like blaming the neighbour for not rescuing a child- while the parent has locked the door, set the house on fire, and is blocking the fire brigade.