Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

people on the anti Israel side

People aren't anti Israel they are anti the actions of the Israeli government. Big difference between the two

You're smearing an entire group of people with a vague, largely unprovable accusation simply to deflect from the real elephant in the room: the utter carnage of the war in Gaza. So yes, “look over there” is more than justified.

And by the way, the debate was chaired by the brilliant Jolyon Rubinstein. When someone suggested that parts of the discussion were antisemitic, he calmly reminded them of his surname.

It's very effective.

This is not just a media controversy. It’s about silencing those who bear witness to a humanitarian catastrophe. this reminds me of ‘in this town, the love that dare not speak its name never shuts up.’ Possibly from Tales of the City?? Anyway, whoever is trying to silence you (collective you, not you personally) is doing a piss poor job of it!

It's like some people have an idea that wars are pleasant.

Instead of things that any rational people would avoid starting at all costs.

@sualipa no one is suggesting it is "just a media controversy".

Why do people on the anti Israel side always want to shut down debate.

Look over there is that really all you've got is like something kids would say in a playground. Come on, we're adults.

Yes it’s not exactly news, surely?

Just looked him upj ust remember this when the attacks on the BBC start rolling in.

In August 2022, former BBC presenter Emily Maitlis stated that Gibb was an "active agent of the Conservative party" who played a significant role in determining the nature of the corporation's news output.[24][25] A freedom of information request to the BBC for "[email] communications where he [Gibb] has sought to reprimand after a broadcast or article he disagreed with, educate BBC staff on impartiality, or be informed of output before its publication" has been refused by the BBC on the grounds of cost. The refusal came in April 2023, three-and-a-half months after the initial request.[26]
In September 2024, after The Jewish Chronicle was forced to apologise for publishing a string of fabricated stories about the Gaza war, Alan Rusbridger queried how Gibb could, as a member of the BBC's editorial guidelines and standard committee, sit on a panel and participate in an upcoming review of the impartiality of the BBC’s war coverage.[16]
In July 2025, Gibb's impartiality was again questioned in an open letter from over 400 media figures to the BBC “we are concerned that an individual with close ties to the Jewish Chronicle … has a say in the BBC’s editorial decisions in any capacity, including the decision not to broadcast Gaza: Medics Under Fire”.[27]

Look over there is that really all you’ve got, in the face of the ongoing, inhuman carnage in Gaza? It’s an utter tragedy on all sides, and yet the response is to shoot the messenger.

I’ve just returned from the Wilderness Festival, where I had the privilege of speaking personally with Sangita Myska and attending a deeply moving discussion with Ramita Navai, the producer of Gaza: Medics Under Fire. Ramita revealed that the BBC pulled the documentary without any official explanation—though off the record, it was suggested that Sir Robbie Gibb was behind the decision.

Sangita herself has also been cancelled an apparent attempt to intimidate anyone who dares to speak out. And it works. The fear of challenging the Israeli narrative in mainstream media is real and persistent.

Ramita’s insight, drawn from numerous contacts on the ground and interviews with medics in Gaza, was absolutely heartbreaking. According to those she spoke with and it was hundreds , Israeli forces have deliberately and systematically targeted healthcare facilities and personnel as a matter of policy to make the place uninhabitable.

These are war crimes plain and simple.

This is not just a media controversy. It’s about silencing those who bear witness to a humanitarian catastrophe.

How is someone revealing their "true colours" just by pointing out that civilians die and starve in wars? No one is saying they are happy about that but it does seem an uncontroversial fact about wars.

Here's an interesting report on Hamas's use of social media for propaganda purposes. For various reasons, it helps them greatly to have individuals in the West sharing their key messages.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-hamass-and-hezbollahs-uses-information-technology

Gold 🌟

Thread title.

Where does the "many" come from? What's your source?

Twisting words - tick (common strategy).

You missed out the little word "many."

As it happens I don't agree with OP that many pro-Palestinians do actually support Hamas. But it's logical to assume that some do, or why aren't both sides equally critical of Hamas? Why do some act as though Israel is at war with the civilians of Gaza rather than at war with Hamas? Lots of posters on these threads are uncomfortable with even discussing who started this war and mock those that even mention it, "but Hamas..."

The title of this thread is 'Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas'

Given that we have evidence of them calling for jihad, intifada, and cos-playing hamasniks, I would say it's not hyperbole. The operative word is many not all.

Well either that or a bit Bill&Ted.

Ridiculous hyperbole

The title of this thread is literally accusing people who support Palestinian as being pro Hamas.

That seems pretty hyberbolic to me....

Thank you @ConscientiousObserver for expressing this so clearly.

Please refrain from lecturing me about what to look at. I look at everything, I see both sides whereas it seems to me you only ever see the actions of one side.

You can't make people think a certain way, which is why I don't tell you to take a wider look at what has happened and why Israel act the way they do.

All the (many) people you lecture on this site and the statistics you keep throwing out don't make any difference to the war in Gaza.

They deny that they are withholding aid though, they say aid has always been there but the UN refused to deliver it until they introduced the tactical pauses in fighting and aid corridors to make delivery safer for the UN & other agencies. Plus they introduced the aid distribution sites and now there are daily air drops with aid coming in from many countries.

Obviously some food and water has been getting into Gaza throughout the nearly 2 years of war or there would be many more deaths than there have been. You will say there hasn't been enough aid getting in and still isn't - and I agree with you on that point.

But it's not true to say there's "nothing to debate" about Israel committing war crimes - by which I assume you mean Netanyahu and some of his ministers. Their actions will be assessed after the war and yes, possibly some individuals (not "Israel") will be found guilty of committing war crimes. But that is not for you to decide, it will be decided by a court of law.

Nearly 2 million people being starved in a man-made famine.
Babies unnecessarily starving to death. Children becoming literal skin and bones, losing their hair.

”the right judgement”
”justified”

oh, but what was it someone said before:
“What is it with pro-Palestinians in that the moment you try and have a measured conversation about why we are where we are,
they churn out a punchy statement about killing babies?”

Then look at what Israel are doing- really look.