Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

While I don’t dispute that Hamas’s actions and governance have had serious negative impacts on Gaza’s people, it’s important not to lose sight of the broader context.

Looking into the X account (@PeaceComCenter) sharing this video- their content clearly aligns with pro-Israel narratives. Their focus on exposing abuses by Hamas and Hezbollah is real, but it’s used in a way that oversimplifies a very complex situation.

I don’t agree with shifting all blame onto Hamas- erasing the impact of the Israeli blockade, military actions, and broader occupation that have created the humanitarian crisis in Gaza (including famine).

It’s frustrating when people reduce Gaza’s suffering to just “Hamas problems” because it ignores decades of systemic oppression and collective trauma inflicted on Palestinians. If we want honest discussion, we need to look beyond these one-sided narratives.

If anyone wants to dig deeper on the complexity and wider context:

• B’Tselem- Israeli human rights group documenting abuses by all sides: btselem.org
• Amnesty International report on Gaza blockade’s impact: _amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/01/gaza-blockade-has-devastating-impact/_
• “Gaza in Crisis” by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé- detailed overview of Gaza’s political and humanitarian situation
• International Crisis Group- neutral, in-depth conflict analysis: _crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/israelpalestine_

He is inspirational .I was just reading from the link about the "We want to live movement" . Amazing and brave.

People like this incredibly brave man should be amplified instead of hidden. I genuinely pray men like him (the real resistance) can gain control of Gaza. If they do I'd donate my own money to help them.

https://x.com/PeaceComCenter/status/1953449971753123861?t=EL_qbRUPV-RUpyCJKg0e2w&s=19

And? Some mislabelled or reused images have circulated on social media in relation to Gaza, as happens in almost every major conflict or humanitarian crisis.

Misuse or misattribution of a few images online doesn’t disprove the reality of what’s happening on the ground. Every major humanitarian organisation, from the UN to Save the Children to Médecins Sans Frontières has confirmed that famine is taking hold in Gaza, especially in the north. Infants are dying from malnutrition and dehydration. That’s not based on social media pictures, it’s based on hospital records, satellite data, and direct witness accounts.

At least 100–110 people have died from malnutrition and dehydration since March 2025, and the majority of those deaths were children

• Nearly 60,000 Palestinians killed…
• 17,000 children dead…
• UN, WFP, and UNICEF confirm: children are now dying from hunger in Gaza
• UN Special Rapporteur: Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war
• B’Tselem: this is deliberate, systematic deprivation
• Israeli NGOs confirm aid has been blocked and convoys bombed
• Videos and soldier testimonies show children, medics, and journalists targeted
• May 2024: UN says famine is imminent due to Israeli blockade
• March 2024: Israel bombs UNRWA food warehouse
• Human rights organisations including Amnesty, HRW, and Yesh Din: this is apartheid and ethnic cleansing
• ?

You’re not asking for evidence though. You’re rejecting it because it indicts the side you support.

They have been releasing pictures of kids from Syria or other conflicts, plus pictures of sick kids with medical conditions, and passing them off as Gazans.
Why would they need to do that if there’s a famine in Gaza?

Oh I have evidence. You just don’t like where it points.

Since October 2023, over 17,000 children have been killed in Gaza. That’s not collateral damage- that’s a massacre. And yes, Israel has deliberately starved Palestinians. The UN and multiple human rights groups have explicitly said so:

• In June 2024, UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese stated Israel is using starvation “as a method of warfare.”
• Gisha, an Israeli NGO, confirmed that Israel intentionally blocked aid trucks, food, and fuel.
• B’Tselem, another Israeli human rights group, calls it “deliberate and systematic deprivation.”
• Even the World Food Programme and UNICEF have stated that children in Gaza are now dying of hunger because aid is being withheld.

And let’s talk snipers and drones:

• Videos from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and independent journalists show soldiers targeting children, medics, and journalists.
• Israeli soldiers themselves have leaked footage and testimonies of deliberately firing at unarmed civilians.
• As early as 2018, Israeli snipers admitted to shooting at protestors- many of them children- during the Great March of Return.

You talk about “millions of tonnes of aid”- yet in May 2024, every major UN agency said famine was imminent and that Israel was blocking or destroying most convoys. Israel even bombed the UNRWA food warehouse in March. There were weeks where zero aid trucks got in. So yes, famine is the intended outcome. That’s what happens when you choke a population of 2.3 million people.

“Why are Palestinians different to any other person suffering in a war?”

Because their suffering is not just war- it’s occupation, blockade, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing. That’s not just my view- Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Israeli groups like Yesh Din and B’Tselem have all called it apartheid.

And let’s be really honest- you’re not “more concerned” about other crises. You bring them up only to shut down conversation about Palestine. That’s not compassion. That’s whataboutism.

And for the record, if you cared about any human life- you wouldn’t be justifying 21 months of mass killing and starvation with the lazy line:

“civilians die, they even starve, in every fucking war.”

You said it. Not me. That sentence says more about your values than mine ever could.

Well, the war has not ended in Gaza and Israel between Hamas and Israel, has it?

All Hamas has to do is surrender and acknowledge that any legitimacy that it has as to being representative of Gaza or any Palestinian territory is over.

Then the winner Israel and her allies can concern themselves more than Hamas has ever done , with the physical and material needs of a Gaza that has never known suffering like this , caused by Hamas.

But in the meantime, Israel should be the priority of the Israeli government and should not be expected to be the Mother Courage of Gaza in lieu of Hamas and any failure to try and overthrow them by Gaza civilians a la Italians and Mussolini when they could see that Mussolini, like Hamas was prepared to suicide Italy rather than surrender.....

The ball is in Hamas and Gazans' hands, as seemingly tied as they may seem to them.

But there is precedent pertaining to accepting defeat, surrender or in lieu of that , uprising of a hungry, environment destroyed, desperate population who are not prepared to throw the baby out of the bathwater, due to love of self and country.

Colonel Richard Kemp comes across as a modern-day Colonel Blimp bombastic, blinkered, and wheeled out whenever a militarised opinion is needed. He spent years focusing on Ukraine before abruptly pivoting to Israel a couple of years ago. Frankly, he’s a gun for hire, and I’d be surprised if he isn’t being handsomely paid by Israeli interests for his commentary. I don’t consider him a credible or independent voice in any meaningful sense.

Oh and this

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/06/20/bbc-israel-charity-commission/

What listeners were not told – again – is that Kemp is a director and trustee of UK Friends of the Association for the Wellbeing of Israel’s Soldiers (UK-AWIS), a British charity that raises money to support the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF).

In April 2017, a column written by Kemp and published in the Jewish News suggested that Baroness Warsi had sought to excuse the conduct of the Islamic State group. The Jewish News was subsequently ordered to pay £20,000 in damages plus costs to Warsi.[34] In its public apology, the Jewish News stated

In a column written by Colonel Richard Kemp published in the Jewish News and jewishnews.co.uk on 6 April 2017, it was suggested that Baroness Sayeeda Warsi has sought to excuse the appalling conduct of the barbaric Islamic State terror group. The column also suggested that Baroness Warsi has objected to action being taken against British Muslims who murder and rape for Islamic State. We wish to make absolutely clear that these allegations were wholly untrue and should never have been published.[35]

Warsi donated the damages to a charity for Muslim and Jewish women.[35] Kemp himself did not issue an apology, and was accused by Warsi of appearing "to wantonly publish inflammatory and offensive comments without a thought for the consequences (let alone the truth)."[34]

I’ll never forget listening to Tony Benn in the last years of his life at the Speaker’s Tent at Glastonbury. I went to see him religiously every year. With tears in his eyes, he spoke about how, after the Second World War, Britain helped feed the German people even though it was deeply unpopular with many here at home. He reminded us that not only was it the right thing to do, but it was how you stop future wars from happening.

And it wasn’t just words. Through initiatives like the Marshall Plan and British food aid, we sent thousands of tons of supplies into a broken, starving country. At a time when Britain itself was under strict rationing, with bombed-out cities and a shattered economy, we still found a way to share because , and it's worth saying again it was the right thing to do. With apologies to Shakespeare.

“Hath not a Palestinian eyes?
Hath not a Palestinian hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions?
Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons,
Subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
Warmed and cooled by the same sun and moon as an Israeli is?
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, shall we not seek justice?”

What" True colours"?
The fact that the poster knows that nobody dies " prettily" in war, that losing a war often means that the losing side suffered more, even far more civilian and military casualties than the winning side?

That suggestion in war often manifests itself in many collective ways, including starvation, especially for the civilians on the losing side ( post WW2 Berlin comes to mind) and is not a reality that has only come with the Hamas Israel war.

Funny how the current starvation of unambiguously Black Sudanese in Sudan was only met by an attempt at debate stifling by way of ambiguous accusations of ominous character for presenting truth that circular thinking cannot seem to countenance, lest the dissonance frazzle the neutrons.

Fair enough. I appreciate the clarification especially as Israel supporters on these threads often do get accused of supporting babies being starved.

Not by you though.

I agree with you that neither views are widely held (apart from by a small number of people with extremist views).

No i don't see some truth. The word "many" means a lot. It doesn't mean a small number of extremists.
Just as the phrase "many supporters of Ireal support the starvation of babies" isn't true.

So you see some truth in the thread title. Except you would replace the word "many" with "some"

As would I use the word "some", because while we don't actually know the exact proportion, I choose to believe that most pro Palestinians don't support Hamas.

Of course some people will be pro Hamas, just as some supporters of Isreal are pro genocide of Palestinian people. There are evil people in all walks of life...

Also @sualipa I’m not smearing anyone 🤷🏼‍♀️

Too late. The brainwashing took hold way before he woke up and smelt the coffee.

Oh, and the producer I mentioned is either lying and/or antisemitic or she’s a fearless, award-winning journalist with decades of proven credibility who’s telling the truth. I know which I believe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramita_Navai

Yeah yeah...

Equally, I don't know why I find myself against the side described as "pro Palestinian" because I want nothing but good things for the Palestinian people.

Anti Israel are against the actions of the Israeli government. And pro Israel are against the actions of Hamas.

At this point, I wouldn’t believe a single word from the beleaguered ex-Pepsi PR man says about anything.

What, so just because someone is Jewish or has a Jewish surname that means it's impossible for them to hold any antisemitic views?

It's not the Gotcha you think it is.

I'm a woman but I can still hold views that are discriminatory against women. I don't think I do but I absolutely could.

I expect the BBC are trying not to embarrass themselves again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwynrn0g0lko