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50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!

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Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 20:38

Another shocking act of global antisemitism.

50 French Jewish kids aged 10-15 apparently attended a summer camp in Spain.

On the flight back to France, before takeoff while plane still on tarmac, they were accused of being rowdy and singing ‘Death to Arabs’ in Hebrew (no evidence they were saying that). Police were called, they were told to get off and their 21 year old female supervisor ended up being beaten to the ground and forcibly handcuffed.

According to witnesses on the plane, the children stopped singing when asked and were well behaved, and nothing was amiss. The crew made a tannoy announcement that there were security concerns and police entered the plane and told the kids to get off. The female supervisor was ordered to make the kids hand over their phones so footage of them being removed from the plane could be deleted and she was beaten to the ground and handcuffed when she refused. The Captain allegedly said Israel was a terrorist state.

She later had to sign an NDA to be released.

The Captain has been identified as being a flying instructor for two of the 9/11 plane hijackers.

WTAF!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/24/jewish-schoolchildren-kicked-off-plane-singing-hebrew-songs/?s=09

https://x.com/JewsFightBack/status/1948787040088457336

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

https://x.com/igaln/status/1948794852285517877

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

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notimagain · 30/07/2025 07:54

<<For those still following the subject of the thread>>

The discussion between authorities continues.

Vueling released a holding statement a couple of days ago English language version in image below, hope it's readable.

They are sticking with their version of events.

Like myself and others it appears they were somewhat surprised at a crewmember's name getting into the public domain.

The flag image that was doing the rounds is not mentioned - it seems clear that image wasn't taken on the incident aircraft and it's a complete fabrication that is maybe understandable Vueling don't mention it.

if OTOH it's is an image taken on another Vueling aircraft on another flight that might open another can of worms for the company so I suspect they'd happily hope that that aspect of this story gets forgotten.

50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!
DeftShaker · 30/07/2025 04:30

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:16

Ah yes. Those Palestinians are such savages. Their hatred of Jews goes down to their very core. They don’t care about children like the rest of humanity does.

And this is a perfect example of how Palestinians are dehumanised to justify their suffering and slaughter. This is how a genocide gets support.

This feels thorny to weigh into, so let my preface it by saying that I am convinced that the cause of the widespread starvation is Israel's blockade. I do not believe there is some mass decision being made by Palestinians to starve their children, and all available evidence points towards Israel's actions as the cause. Some of the comments seen on other threads have been appalling.

The stakes are also so high that, even if someone were to lean towards thinking it is some twisted Hamas propaganda, the moral thing to do is end the blockade - the cost of being wrong is too high.

But, in their recent post at least (I dont track who says what on each thread), Lolapusht didnt seem to be talking about the current starvation in particular, but about martyrdom more generally. Obviously the response to her post has been strong condemnation, but I fear there's a material disconnect.

Belief in martyrdom is very prevalent in Palestinian society. Several books have been written on the topic, but I'll leave a wiki link (there is a notation on the link that the neutrality of the article is disputed, so do bear that in mind:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom_in_Palestinian_society ).

Over the last quarter century, most polls by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research and Pew Research Center have, for example, shown around 70% support for suicide bombings (though one from the late 2010s showed a drop to barely-above one third).

There is no available data as to what % of parents in Palestine would be proud if their own child was a martyr, but there are academic studies on the coexistence of pride and grief in Palestinian parents so bereaved, so I don't think its some abstract or fringe issue.

Most societies have, at least at times, seen sacrifice for the greater good as extremely admirable. This is more prevelant in highly religious societies, and particularly in Islam (where the concept is particularly prominent in theology). Naturally, its also far more prevalent during times of war and occupation.

I - of course - don't think that Palestinians are inherently more likely to support martyrdom by their own children, but that its largely a product of faith and circumstances. If you grew up there, you'd probably be radicalized too, and most (if not all) Palestinians were born into hardship and a legacy of trauma.

(And yes, Jewish Israelis have their own legacy and experiences of trauma).

Dehumanization is a huge (and bilateral) issue in this conflict but its also one of the things that worries me most about what is unfolding, and the motives of Netanyahu and those in his orbit (as some have voiced.) If the current conflict stopped tomorrow, Palestinians would (understandly) be more radicalized than ever, such has been the extreme severity of Israel's response. That Israel persists nonetheless could be due to wanting the safe return of the hostages, but you have to worry that those making the decisions are counting on Palestinian radicalization not being a problem because there may be no more Palestinians in Gaza.

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:52

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 09:41

I do agree.

The fanatics are evil.

The issue comes when there are a multitude of Islamic fundamentalists compared to a comparatively tiny number of Israeli fundamentalists. I’d also argue that one group considers torture and barbarity as a normal way of getting things done while the other doesn’t.

Just a reminder, in talking about the millions of Islamic fundamentalists compared to the number of WB settlers. Only one group is responsible for the miserable existence of Afghani woman, honour killings, genocide of the Yazidi, 9/11, Manchester arena, child marriage etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, Daniella Weiss is awful.

Islamic fanatics are a problem and have caused a lot of hatred and death in the world, but not everything listed is exclusive to them.

Child marriage exists even amongst Jews:

https://www.kveller.com/a-14-year-old-israeli-girl-was-saved-from-child-marriage/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-break-up-ultra-orthodox-underage-wedding-in-jerusalem/amp/

Honour killings are also an issue amongst the Sikh and Hindu communities, especially in India.

So not quite right to say only one group responsible for those two issues. But they are responsible for a lot.

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:16

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

Ah yes. Those Palestinians are such savages. Their hatred of Jews goes down to their very core. They don’t care about children like the rest of humanity does.

And this is a perfect example of how Palestinians are dehumanised to justify their suffering and slaughter. This is how a genocide gets support.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/07/2025 23:51

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

You believe that Palestinian parents willingly starve themselves and their children? That Palestinians are an anomaly within humans?

That's a big claim that needs big evidence.

No nationality, no religion, no culture chooses famine.Hmm

SomeWomanSomewhere · 29/07/2025 23:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/07/2025 23:39

WTF?

You are seriously suggesting my assertion is wrong? That Palestinian parents are happy to sacrifice their children.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

It is a long-standing, deeply racist, very orientalist, dehumanising trope.

But it is a trope.

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/07/2025 23:39

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

WTF?

You are seriously suggesting my assertion is wrong? That Palestinian parents are happy to sacrifice their children.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 21:26

She glorifies the death of Palestinians.

Point is. extremists exist on both sides of the divide. Most Israeli parents don’t wish harm to come to their children (or anyone else’s), the obvious exception being people like Weiss and other illegal settlers who force their children to live in squalor in tents on illegally occupied land because their desire to see Palestinians wiped out cans their land stolen appears to supersede their care for their children. Likewise, Hamas leaders and soldiers are prepared to sacrifice children. The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing.

Both fanatical groups as evil as each other. Do you agree?

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 09:41

I do agree.

The fanatics are evil.

The issue comes when there are a multitude of Islamic fundamentalists compared to a comparatively tiny number of Israeli fundamentalists. I’d also argue that one group considers torture and barbarity as a normal way of getting things done while the other doesn’t.

Just a reminder, in talking about the millions of Islamic fundamentalists compared to the number of WB settlers. Only one group is responsible for the miserable existence of Afghani woman, honour killings, genocide of the Yazidi, 9/11, Manchester arena, child marriage etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, Daniella Weiss is awful.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 21:26

Lolapusht · 28/07/2025 11:36

Yes. Mention of her absolutely negates all the previous arguments regarding thousands upon thousands of people glorifying death and actively welcoming martyrdom for themselves and their children.

Well done.

She glorifies the death of Palestinians.

Point is. extremists exist on both sides of the divide. Most Israeli parents don’t wish harm to come to their children (or anyone else’s), the obvious exception being people like Weiss and other illegal settlers who force their children to live in squalor in tents on illegally occupied land because their desire to see Palestinians wiped out cans their land stolen appears to supersede their care for their children. Likewise, Hamas leaders and soldiers are prepared to sacrifice children. The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing.

Both fanatical groups as evil as each other. Do you agree?

ParmaVioletTea · 28/07/2025 17:26

Many many Gazan Christians have been persecuted since Hamas become their governing body and many of them received visas and some citizenship when they escaped into Israel to avoid it. Of around 10m people who live in Israel (I’m not including the WB) only around 6m are Jewish. The rest are made up of Muslims, Druze, Christians, Baha’i and many atheists.

The more this awful awful war goes on, the more I think Israel has been positioned to do the West & the rest of the Middle East's dirty, dangerous work, to get rid of Hamas.

No-one else in the ME (except the Palestinians) was prepared to take on Hamas, even after the murdering butchers attacked Israel. Yet all of the rest of the ME want Hamas gone. Look at the way Egypt & Jordan have systematically refused to take Palestinian refugees for a very long time. Israel is trying to root out Hamas, and the rest of the world wants them to do so, but they're not lifting a finger to help. And on top of it, pointing fingers at Israel as the aggressor ...

Dangermoo · 28/07/2025 13:27

notimagain · 28/07/2025 12:57

on thread info

Antisemitism collective Nous-Vivrons held a demo at Orly yesterday to protest against Vueling's reported actions.

It-s one thing getting the politicians involved...if it escalates to the collectives and syndicats starting to kick up a stink.....

Link to French language article:

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien/

Edited

Good - glad to see this protest.

Jujujudo · 28/07/2025 13:12

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 11:45

I once again recommended you reread your own posts.

I did reread them. The only discrepancy I can see was when I said there were more Christians in tel Aviv than in Gaza. I wasn’t being facetious, there is a huge Christian community in Tel Aviv and several churches including a beautiful Greek Orthodox one in Jaffa - I used to teach in a Christian school in tel Aviv when I went for a year as a teacher. Again i didn’t see your deleted post but I am a grown up and unless you or anyone else is racist towards me, I am able to have a discussion with differences of opinion. Many many Gazan Christians have been persecuted since Hamas become their governing body and many of them received visas and some citizenship when they escaped into Israel to avoid it. Of around 10m people who live in Israel (I’m not including the WB) only around 6m are Jewish. The rest are made up of Muslims, Druze, Christians, Baha’i and many atheists. I’m happy to continue this discussion with you and won’t be reporting any responses.

notimagain · 28/07/2025 12:57

on thread info

Antisemitism collective Nous-Vivrons held a demo at Orly yesterday to protest against Vueling's reported actions.

It-s one thing getting the politicians involved...if it escalates to the collectives and syndicats starting to kick up a stink.....

Link to French language article:

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien/

Vueling, juifs ou israéliens, ça ne justifie rien !

Vueling, juifs ou israéliens, ça ne justifie rien ! - Collectif Nous vivrons

Le 24 juillet, des enfants de 12 à 15 ans d'une colonie de vacances juive, sont évacués brutalement de leur vol retour de Valence de la compagnie Vueling, et

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 11:45

Jujujudo · 27/07/2025 22:13

Also I didn’t read the comment that was deleted. I’ve no idea what you wrote.

I once again recommended you reread your own posts.

Lolapusht · 28/07/2025 11:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 08:41

Daniella Weiss?

Yes. Mention of her absolutely negates all the previous arguments regarding thousands upon thousands of people glorifying death and actively welcoming martyrdom for themselves and their children.

Well done.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 09:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 08:41

Daniella Weiss?

What about her? She is an extremist who has been criticised by both pro Israel & pro Palestinian people on this board. She has been sanctioned by the British government.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 08:41

Daniella Weiss?

Dangermoo · 28/07/2025 06:57

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 01:14

That's what Israel is dealing with. It has to navigate through this and have the west tell it that it's the evil one. To this woman, it's her belief; you can't reason with that, you can only defend yourself against it.

Anonimummy · 28/07/2025 01:14

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/07/2025 23:54

I think it’s extreme apocalyptic type fundamentalists that actively look for death as martyrs , suicide bombers etc
I suppose you can find that mentality in lots of religions . At the moment it is mostly evident in extreme Islamic fundamentalism but any religion can become extreme and dangerous if the leadership is too autocratic.

This mentality?

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1949573018394517885

Sick.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1949573018394517885

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OpheliaWasntMad · 27/07/2025 23:54

Custardanddreams · 27/07/2025 22:57

But we don't aspire to die and we mourn death. There is an official period of mourning when someone dies.

It is true that perhaps many Muslims don't fear death in the way it is feared in other cultures because of our belief in the afterlife. If death is written for me today, then I accept it but that doesn't mean i want to die now. For starters, i have young children who rely on me. I would love to see them grow older and spend time together. Maybe even have grandchildren in the future. We all have plans for the future don't we? Muslims are no different in that respect.

I think it’s extreme apocalyptic type fundamentalists that actively look for death as martyrs , suicide bombers etc
I suppose you can find that mentality in lots of religions . At the moment it is mostly evident in extreme Islamic fundamentalism but any religion can become extreme and dangerous if the leadership is too autocratic.

Custardanddreams · 27/07/2025 22:59

That was to @Easytouch post that @MrsSkylerWhite Was responding to.

Custardanddreams · 27/07/2025 22:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/07/2025 22:36

Bollocks did it.

But we don't aspire to die and we mourn death. There is an official period of mourning when someone dies.

It is true that perhaps many Muslims don't fear death in the way it is feared in other cultures because of our belief in the afterlife. If death is written for me today, then I accept it but that doesn't mean i want to die now. For starters, i have young children who rely on me. I would love to see them grow older and spend time together. Maybe even have grandchildren in the future. We all have plans for the future don't we? Muslims are no different in that respect.

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/07/2025 22:36

EasyTouch · 27/07/2025 17:36

Whoosh!
The point was that in the Middle East, many, due to their religion which has a large onus on reaching Paradise, THIS life is seen as transitory.
The " being murderous, etc" just meant not being afraid to die due to said afterlife in Paradise to look forward to.
A life nearer to God.
Do you now get the point that was being made?
Try to think in a linear manner.

Bollocks did it.

Jujujudo · 27/07/2025 22:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/07/2025 19:27

I cant believe i was reported for pointing out @Jujujudo's very inconsistent posts!Shock

Also I didn’t read the comment that was deleted. I’ve no idea what you wrote.