50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!

Not related to the thread, but Netanyahu will be on Triggernometry tonight for subscribers, tomorrow for general release.

I'll take your word for it .. fried pasta!!

It was the image. As I said could be wrong. That was just what it threw up.

Story reported in Times of Israel:
Iberia serves Jewish passenger a kosher meal with ‘Free Palestine’ written on it

A Jewish passenger who requested a kosher meal on an Iberia Airlines flight received his food tray with the words “Free Palestine” written on the packaging, Argentina’s DAIA umbrella Jewish organization said Monday.

Salvador Auday, who reported the incident to the airplane crew, said that several other unopened meals bore the initials “FP,” written with the same pen, the group said.

The incident occurred Monday on flight IB102 from Buenos Aires to Madrid, with its final destination reportedly in Israel.

“I reported the incident to the head flight attendant, who took down the complaint, took photos, etc. They tried to apologize in every possible way,” said Auday to Argentinian Jewish newspaper Vis á Vis. He speculated that the words were written by one of the food supplier’s employees rather than a member of the aircrew.

“Apparently, it wasn’t any of the crew members, so if it came from outside, I’d imagine that Iberia will conduct an internal investigation of its suppliers and procedures. That’s precisely why I reported it, so that it doesn’t get forgotten,” he continued.

The Spanish airline said Tuesday that it had indeed opened an investigation into the incident.

“The Iberia crew documented the incident and took action to assist those affected. The captain personally approached them to apologize on behalf of the airline,” the airline said in a statement, adding that it had opened an internal investigation and was working with its catering providers to determine how the labels were added.

Iberia said it “categorically rejects any form of discrimination, incitement to hatred, or behaviour that undermines the dignity of individuals”.

The Anti-Defamation League said it was “deeply concerned” by the DAIA’s “disturbing report… regarding antisemitic messages targeting Jewish passengers on an Iberia Buenos Aires-Madrid flight.”

www.timesofisrael.com/iberia-serves-jewish-passenger-a-kosher-meal-with-free-palestine-written-on-it/

Oh I daren’t. Bamba are like crack! First time I tried one I thought “peanut butter Wotsits…ohhhhkaaaayyy” then schnarffled most of a pack. DS2 is pretty much addicted to them.

Hey don’t knock it til you’ve tried it! 😄

Bamba I can get behind….but fried pasta snacks??? 😲

Checked my cupboard and found osem pasta.
found bissli as well and taken a pic so you can see the logo (and the diet destroyer itself). I may eat it in the name of research 😇

If this non-X, non-Israeli source is correct it does look like Iberia are taking it seriously:

https://www.arabnews.pk/node/2610721/world

Is this the image you ran through? In the left, there’s a word which says אחדות (akhdus). Then a circle symbol to the left of that which appears to have a k in it (I don’t recognise the hechsher- kosher symbol/logo, but it’s very in keeping with typical hechsherim), and then under that it says כשר -kosher in Hebrew. There’s nothing that looks like the yellow and red osem symbol to me either. They don’t do the kind of food that is used in airline catering- it’s ultra processed snack foods, pot noodles, super processed cakes, that kind of thing mainly. I vaguely remember they do dried stuff like pasta and couscous too, but don’t quote me! I can see an osem muffin being included in a kosher meal or snack, but not a full meal.

did you have a different image?

they make bissli, and I do not forgive them for how addictive it is 😬🤣

Agree with that..

Don't know what the passenger demographic on that route would be but I do know on some routes the cabin crew handled a lot of different species of specials, not just Kosher, but even so I would have expected someone to notice.

A lot might depend on where the aircraft was catered - was it round trip catered ex-Madrid or was fresh catering loaded on at Burnos Aires.

That then raises a further question - was the contracted catering company able to prep the special meals themselves or did some of that process get sub-contracted?

Where I worked we had one main food supplier for ex-base but downroute you were sometimes being provisioned by completely different companies.

That’s the bit I don’t get. I know it’s busy etc, etc, but surely there aren’t that many Kosher meals to hand out, if hand writing isn’t usually on the labels it must have caught someone’s eye, given the current atmosphere surely you’d be a little more vigilant about Jewish passengers, they must be looking down at the super hot meal as they’re placing it on the tray so couldn’t not have seen it. How the F did that make it to a passenger?!

Hi Ella,
I ran the picture through Chat GPT which stated the "Yes, the packaging in the image does appear to be from Osem, an Israeli food company. The red and white label in Hebrew and the stylized red "Osem" logo are clearly visible on the foil wrapper, confirming the brand"

It appears they do make a limited amount of Kosher food for some airlines.

As I said I absolutely could be incorrect on this.

Don't talk to me about diets....

Sadly very familiar with Osem, to the downfall of many a diet of mine…

Hi @Martymcfly24 , where are you seeing that this is supplied by osem please? The only thing I can see in the picture appears to be a hechsher tape (sort of like a seal that guarantees the inside hasn’t been tampered with and rendered not kosher). Osem are not a pre-made meal supplier as far as I know (unless instant noodle soup counts as a meal!), it’s a snack company.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iberia-serves-jewish-passenger-a-kosher-meal-with-free-palestine-written-on-it/

Just a quick question that food is in the tray is prepared by Osem an Israeli food company supplying airlines. It does not supply food to Iberia airlines so is the information in the post correct. I could be incorrect on this so I was wondering if you could clarify.

I guess this is stating the obvious but if this is genuine then the culprits are either in the food preparation company (which may be a sub-contractor, and someone there has taken a pen to all the Kosher special meals) or cabin crew on the actual flight..

Edit to add that I'd be surprised if the cabin crew didn't spot what was on the foils when prepping or actually serving the meals if they were specials.

Jewish passengers on an Iberian Airlines Flight to Spain (part of Vuelings group) reportedly served kosher meals with Free Palestine written on them.

How are they getting away with this?

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1952652239203389583

@Lonelycrab

Just as a point of info...

The cabin and ground areas (wrt to the claimed rowdy/unlawful) disembarkation will be covered with cctv.

I wouldn't assume there is CCTV of the cabin (i.e. the general passenger seating area).

Of course some individuals might have camera phone footage.

It is good to read posts actually relevant to the particular incident.

One thing I’ve looked at is; is it allowed to video the Gardia Civil carrying out their duties? Answer, not always and footage can often be deleted if it meets certain criteria.

The other thing that strikes me in this case is that the Vueling staff, the pilots and all the ground crew will have essentially have to have fabricated all the claims in the press releases, and the company stood behind this fabrication despite the likelihood of a possible legal challenge.. The cabin and ground areas (wrt to the claimed rowdy/unlawful) disembarkation will be covered with cctv.
Is it likely that a complete and coordinated fabrication has taken place, when there will surely be evidence to check those claims?

Am withholding any judgement but these two facts seem difficult to get past.

@DeftShaker

Way I see it ATM.

Flag - Don't know.

Offload- For all sorts of reasons (including internal company politics) Vueling simply have to continue to back up the crew decision...so the last statement comes as no suprise.

However...whilst there may well have been grounds to offload a few individuals it's really tough to see how they are going to justify a forced offload of the whole party - it smacks of collective punishment...

I don't get involved in this stuff anymore but I think back in the day when I did if the cabin crew boss had suggested offloading 25% of the customers there would certainly have been a mutual discussion along the lines of: "everybody?Are you sure? Because whilst we have the power to do this we might have to justify why we didn't just chuck off the trouble makers"...

Be interesting to see if any more gets revealed.

As far as I can tell, there's no way of discerning the authenticity of the photo.

I'm suspicious of its authenticity for two reasons: (1) if the disembarked group were forced to delete videos from their phones, they'd have had to conceal the photo (and seemingly, only that photo) fron the police, and (2) nobody from the group itself seems to have asserted its authenticity (publicly, at least).

I do think its a real (as in, not photoshopped) photo, and it doesnt seem to have been published anywhere before the incident. It could, though, be a staged photo from a different plane.

I'm inclined to think it isn't "genuine" but that's a hunch.

(My hunch is also that - at minimum - the group were treated harshly due to antisemitism. Even if the kids' behavior wasn't perfect, it'd need to be persistent and belligerent to justify what occurred - I'd love to know how often groups of similarly aged children are forceably disembarked, then allowed to take a later flight).

Agreed.

I think the general feeling is that the flag image, is questionable but if genuine, was not taken on the aircraft involved in the offload incident..I've seen the image and with best efforts I can't really read the aircraft registration..I know where to look to find it and there is a registration, but what it is
.???

If it is taken on another Vueling aircraft that was actually in service (e.g. on a turnaround) then that raises other awkward questions so I can understand Vueling simply not wanting to mention the image at all.

I appreciate the update.

I would add that I don't know whether the flag photo is genuine but I wouldnt take its non-mentioning in Vueling's interim statement as indicative either way.