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Protest Greek island.

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PaxAeterna · 23/07/2025 12:20

I initially thought that they have been stopped from entering by the Greek authorities but it seems the ship itself made a call to move on. The protest itself was peaceful with no violence reported.

Have mixed thoughts about this one: I don’t really like people protesting at people who ultimately can’t do anything about the situation. On the other hand making life uncomfortable for Israeli tourists inadvertently puts pressure on the Israeli government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/22/israeli-cruise-rerouted-after-aegean-islanders-protest-gaza-war

Israeli cruise ship turned away from Greek island by Gaza war protest

Tourists greeted on Syros by banner saying Stop the Genocide and prevented from disembarking

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/22/israeli-cruise-rerouted-after-aegean-islanders-protest-gaza-war

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Kakeandkake · 23/07/2025 22:31

Babyboomtastic · 23/07/2025 21:30

It's a genuine question. I'm guessing you think the obvious answer is 2, but I'm struggling to believe that when I've not seen either poster who took offence at this, being upset at the collective punishment going on in Gaza.

If someone isn't livid at babies being starved to death because they are being punished for being Gazan, then I don't get how someone can be livid at rich tourists being grumped at for being Israeli. Either it's wrong to punish a society for their government, or it isn't.

Hurty feelings are insignificant compared with death. Neither are right, but let's try and stop the death but first, or it genuinely looks like you care more about those hurty feelings than the dead babies. Hence why I don't think you can see both Gazans and Israelis as equals.

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soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 21:38

Babyboomtastic · 23/07/2025 21:30

It's a genuine question. I'm guessing you think the obvious answer is 2, but I'm struggling to believe that when I've not seen either poster who took offence at this, being upset at the collective punishment going on in Gaza.

If someone isn't livid at babies being starved to death because they are being punished for being Gazan, then I don't get how someone can be livid at rich tourists being grumped at for being Israeli. Either it's wrong to punish a society for their government, or it isn't.

Hurty feelings are insignificant compared with death. Neither are right, but let's try and stop the death but first, or it genuinely looks like you care more about those hurty feelings than the dead babies. Hence why I don't think you can see both Gazans and Israelis as equals.

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Feel free to search other threads then if you feel you havent seen posters upset.

This thread is about a cruise ship feeling it cant dock with its Israeli passengers.

Voxon · 23/07/2025 21:38

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 20:36

Yes it was peaceful. That's a fact. People have a right to protest. The ship decided not to dock, that doesn't make the protest not peaceful. Someone running away from a spider doesn't suddenly make the spider dangerous.

Why are they protesting Israeli holidaymakers? That's not peaceful. It's harassment.

Babyboomtastic · 23/07/2025 21:30

soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 19:23

What do you think? Its obvious isnt it?

I think this is shocking and disgusting and I have a lot of negative things to say about the Israeli government in general

This is mob mentality and vigilantism. Very threatening to the safety of Jewish people.

It's a genuine question. I'm guessing you think the obvious answer is 2, but I'm struggling to believe that when I've not seen either poster who took offence at this, being upset at the collective punishment going on in Gaza.

If someone isn't livid at babies being starved to death because they are being punished for being Gazan, then I don't get how someone can be livid at rich tourists being grumped at for being Israeli. Either it's wrong to punish a society for their government, or it isn't.

Hurty feelings are insignificant compared with death. Neither are right, but let's try and stop the death but first, or it genuinely looks like you care more about those hurty feelings than the dead babies. Hence why I don't think you can see both Gazans and Israelis as equals.

Clavinova · 23/07/2025 20:57

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:29

Well according to the press, the people of Syros held a peaceful demonstration. However, some press do state that some Israelis managed to leave the boat and shout “Turkey will fuck you”. Which is not very nice. I’m sorry that you feel that this is mob mentality and vigilantism. But maybe Israelis should also look internally and decide whether they are holding themselves in the best conduct.

some press do state that some Israelis managed to leave the boat and shout "Turkey ...

The Cyprus Mail says 'some people' - not some Israelis. The crew are likely to be international and the passengers were stuck on board without permission to disembark;

Mano Maritime said in a statement released to the Guardian: “The ship arrived at Syros, encountered a demonstration by pro-Palestinian supporters, and passengers were stuck on board without permission to disembark.”

Martymcfly24 · 23/07/2025 20:57

soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 20:32

Have you read that article properly?

The report of the Turkey insult, is from a social media post, from the activist group who organised the protest.

Its not independently verified.

Do I make a comment on it? No?
Was only posting it for information purposes.

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 20:36

BakedAlaska12 · 23/07/2025 19:29

It’s not peaceful if it’s making a ship not dock because it’s going to become unsafe for Israeli people.

Yes it was peaceful. That's a fact. People have a right to protest. The ship decided not to dock, that doesn't make the protest not peaceful. Someone running away from a spider doesn't suddenly make the spider dangerous.

soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 20:32

Martymcfly24 · 23/07/2025 20:09

https://cyprus-mail.com/2025/07/22/israeli-cruise-ship-diverts-to-cyprus-amid-mass-protest-at-greek-port

"some people who were aboard the Crown Iris managed to disembark, before shouting “Turkey will f**k you!” at the crowd and then being pushed back onto the boat"

Have you read that article properly?

The report of the Turkey insult, is from a social media post, from the activist group who organised the protest.

Its not independently verified.

PaxAeterna · 23/07/2025 20:15

I have hard time believing this to honest, the cruise ship looked too far from the shore.

But even if it happened it’s a non incident really. We have all a right to protest and to counter protest even if we don’t agree with what people are saying.

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Crystalight · 23/07/2025 20:00

Well then, try the Cyprus Mail. Not your best newspaper press, but they tend to get their news from reliable sources, so……

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:58

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:54

In my local press. However, I am not going to disclose my whereabouts to you. Sorry.

How would posting a link to an article disclose your whereabouts.

I have seen multiple articles about this, not of them mentioned anyone shouting "Turkey will fuck you". If you're going to make these claims you shouldnprobably be prepared to back them up.

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:58

Look harder. Some say raising the Israeli flag and singing songs (?) some say Turkey will fuck you. It’s there.

soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 19:55

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:47

You made this claim on another thread but still haven't provided a link to back it up.

The only reference, from a number of articles looked at, to the cruisers shouting anything out, is this one where its said that some of the holiday makers raised flags and shouted 'patriotic slogans'

I would have thought, given this is the Greek Herald that if the Israelis had shouted offensive things to Greek citizens about Turkey, it would have been reported.

https://greekherald.com.au/news/israeli-cruise-rerouted-to-cyprus-after-protest-blocks-syros-stop/

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:54

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:53

So what's the link? Where did you read it?

In my local press. However, I am not going to disclose my whereabouts to you. Sorry.

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:53

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:52

I have a link. Read around the press is the best I can offer on this one.

So what's the link? Where did you read it?

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:52

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:47

You made this claim on another thread but still haven't provided a link to back it up.

I have a link. Read around the press is the best I can offer on this one.

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:50

EasyTouch · 23/07/2025 19:41

Let me see if there is an overlap between posters on this thread high and low key agreeing that Israelis should be protested against and any OPs protesting the UK and other governments allowing refuge for many who were responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.
Dictionary definition of Genocide.
Not population suffering on the losing side of a war started by their leaders.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki- not a genocide.
Russian deaths in WW2- not a genocide.
German post war suffering- not a genocide.
Four centuries of Transatlantic slave journeys and trade. A Genocide that will never be called one. The targeting , kidnapping, erasure of original language and culture at pain of death, rapes, buck breeding, free labour that enabled half of Europe into civilisation for its populations that would not exist otherwise against people who did not trouble them.
War is an ugly thing.

To start one and lose and still refuse to surrender does not give the supporters of the perpetrators the right to name it a genocide, just because the victims are winning against the perps.

Hitler threw Germans under the bus instead of surrendering and specifically left Berliners to it as the Russians advanced, pissed at what they had to lose in order to defeat the Germans/ Axis powers on the Eastern front.

Nobody accused those Russians of Genocide after the cutting up that they did in Berlin.

Would the forcible removal under the guise of voluntary emigration of an entire population constitute genocide?

ByAzura · 23/07/2025 19:47

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:29

Well according to the press, the people of Syros held a peaceful demonstration. However, some press do state that some Israelis managed to leave the boat and shout “Turkey will fuck you”. Which is not very nice. I’m sorry that you feel that this is mob mentality and vigilantism. But maybe Israelis should also look internally and decide whether they are holding themselves in the best conduct.

You made this claim on another thread but still haven't provided a link to back it up.

EasyTouch · 23/07/2025 19:41

Let me see if there is an overlap between posters on this thread high and low key agreeing that Israelis should be protested against and any OPs protesting the UK and other governments allowing refuge for many who were responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.
Dictionary definition of Genocide.
Not population suffering on the losing side of a war started by their leaders.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki- not a genocide.
Russian deaths in WW2- not a genocide.
German post war suffering- not a genocide.
Four centuries of Transatlantic slave journeys and trade. A Genocide that will never be called one. The targeting , kidnapping, erasure of original language and culture at pain of death, rapes, buck breeding, free labour that enabled half of Europe into civilisation for its populations that would not exist otherwise against people who did not trouble them.
War is an ugly thing.

To start one and lose and still refuse to surrender does not give the supporters of the perpetrators the right to name it a genocide, just because the victims are winning against the perps.

Hitler threw Germans under the bus instead of surrendering and specifically left Berliners to it as the Russians advanced, pissed at what they had to lose in order to defeat the Germans/ Axis powers on the Eastern front.

Nobody accused those Russians of Genocide after the cutting up that they did in Berlin.

Crystalight · 23/07/2025 19:29

Well according to the press, the people of Syros held a peaceful demonstration. However, some press do state that some Israelis managed to leave the boat and shout “Turkey will fuck you”. Which is not very nice. I’m sorry that you feel that this is mob mentality and vigilantism. But maybe Israelis should also look internally and decide whether they are holding themselves in the best conduct.

BakedAlaska12 · 23/07/2025 19:29

It’s not peaceful if it’s making a ship not dock because it’s going to become unsafe for Israeli people.

Cadenza12 · 23/07/2025 19:28

People feel powerless in the face of such atrocity when those who could do something don't. It's certainly a high profile protest and peaceful. There's an apparent groundswell of public opinion.

soupyspoon · 23/07/2025 19:23

Babyboomtastic · 23/07/2025 19:06

so no, it’s not okay that Israeli holiday makers are being targeted by people.

Is this because:

  1. Israeli people are somehow more special than anyone else and deserve special treatment, or
  2. because no one should be treated badly because of decisions their government make?

What do you think? Its obvious isnt it?

I think this is shocking and disgusting and I have a lot of negative things to say about the Israeli government in general

This is mob mentality and vigilantism. Very threatening to the safety of Jewish people.

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 19:23

BakedAlaska12 · 23/07/2025 19:01

It’s disgusting yet unsurprising. To show that level of threat to Israeli people is outrageous.

Only a day or two ago an Israeli Jew was targeted at Reubens cafe in London. All she was doing was dining there when a pro-Palestinian woman came and publicly attacked her.

so no, it’s not okay that Israeli holiday makers are being targeted by people.

It was a peaceful protest.

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