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Conflict in the Middle East

Francesca Albanese

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BeJollyNewt · 13/07/2025 22:20

'There are no red lines anymore' says UN Palestinian rights expert on US sanctions

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Everexpanding · 19/07/2025 22:40

EasternStandard · 19/07/2025 16:44

If Hamas hadn’t committed October 7th atrocities it would have been.

I think that is untrue, Palestine has been bombed before October 7th and would have been again, Israel has systematically been breaching the human rights of Palestinians for decades
Even when Gazans peacefully protested they were shot
IN 2018 Palestinians trapped in Gaza began a protest movement at the frontier with Israel that was intended to last six weeks.

Men, women and children demanded recognition of the right of Palestinian refugees in Gaza and elsewhere to return to their ancestral homes in Israel and for an end to a punishing blockade that has made life unliveable.
Israeli snipers fired live ammunition, killing and maiming dozens. This lethal response on 30 March 2018 triggered anger and disbelief across the world but has not stopped.

A year later, the rallies continue. Thousands have bullet wounds through their legs. The streets of Gaza are filled with people limping or in wheelchairs. Children, journalists and medics have been killed, even when they were standing far back from the fence. The UN has said Israel’s military may have committed war crimes, deliberately targeting civilians.

www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/mar/29/a-year-of-bloodshed-at-gaza-border-protests

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2025 21:37

Everexpanding · 19/07/2025 10:11

peace for Israel perhaps not for Palestinians

Netanyahu's actions will not result in peace or security for Israel.

His current actions cause death and destruction. He's nurturing and arming tomorrow's threat to Israel. 7th October happened on his watch.

He doesn't give a shit about Israelis and he certainly doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Some men just want to see the world burn. Netenyahu is one of them.

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 16:58

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:35

Sympathy for killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, including women and children, reducing most of Gaza to rubble, plans to place Gazans in 'camps' (not holiday camps presumably), shooting people lining up for water and food, shooting people in the water, bombing churches, bombing hospitals etc. Being condemned by the UN and countless aid agencies.

Sympathy for 7/10.

EasternStandard · 19/07/2025 16:44

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:36

All this could have been avoided.

If Hamas hadn’t committed October 7th atrocities it would have been.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:43

What happens to Gaza in the future will demonstrate whether or not my observations are correct. We shall see.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:36

All this could have been avoided.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:35

Sympathy for killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, including women and children, reducing most of Gaza to rubble, plans to place Gazans in 'camps' (not holiday camps presumably), shooting people lining up for water and food, shooting people in the water, bombing churches, bombing hospitals etc. Being condemned by the UN and countless aid agencies.

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 16:27

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:22

Merely an observation.

Well it was also your "observation" that 7/10 created an "opportunity" for Israel so I think we can safely say that you see Israel through a lens where they will never get your sympathy for anything.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 16:22

Merely an observation.

EasternStandard · 19/07/2025 16:17

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 16:12

Just another way to blame Israel.

Not just for what they have done but also for what they didn't do.

And to blame them for their own suffering. It’s awful to see.

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 16:12

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 16:07

I know. It is spectacularly disingenuous.

Just another way to blame Israel.

Not just for what they have done but also for what they didn't do.

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 16:07

Anonimummy · 19/07/2025 15:52

Can you imagine the outrage and condemnation if Israel had carried out preemptive operations to disable Hamas from carrying out an act of war like Oct 7th?

Of course the intelligence that an attack was being planned would have been dismissed as lies and an excuse to genocide Palestinians and ethnically cleanse Gaza, war crimes, crimes against humanity, dehumanisation of Hamas, etc, etc.

Oh look what happened when Israel acted AFTER Oct 7th.

I know. It is spectacularly disingenuous.

Anonimummy · 19/07/2025 15:52

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 14:44

People make mistakes - what do you want? . If they came down heavy on every warning or bit of intelligence we know exactly what you would say.

Can you imagine the outrage and condemnation if Israel had carried out preemptive operations to disable Hamas from carrying out an act of war like Oct 7th?

Of course the intelligence that an attack was being planned would have been dismissed as lies and an excuse to genocide Palestinians and ethnically cleanse Gaza, war crimes, crimes against humanity, dehumanisation of Hamas, etc, etc.

Oh look what happened when Israel acted AFTER Oct 7th.

EasternStandard · 19/07/2025 15:27

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 15:08

And yet Hamas are so dangerous that Israel employ dozens of border guards and masses of surveillance technology in order to monitor activities. The warnings went on for months.

This is blaming the wrong people. Hamas committed the atrocities on October 7th

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 15:10

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 15:08

And yet Hamas are so dangerous that Israel employ dozens of border guards and masses of surveillance technology in order to monitor activities. The warnings went on for months.

Yes, October 7th proved they were very dangerous. You think Israel should have been more heavy handed?

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 15:08

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 14:44

People make mistakes - what do you want? . If they came down heavy on every warning or bit of intelligence we know exactly what you would say.

And yet Hamas are so dangerous that Israel employ dozens of border guards and masses of surveillance technology in order to monitor activities. The warnings went on for months.

SharonEllis · 19/07/2025 14:44

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 14:38

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/

And yet they ignored warnings from their own border troops and Egypt.

People make mistakes - what do you want? . If they came down heavy on every warning or bit of intelligence we know exactly what you would say.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 14:38

Anonimummy · 19/07/2025 12:07

This the kind of disingenuous crap from pro-Palestinians that completely shows them up for what they are IMO.

They try to argue that the Palestinians knowingly electing a terrorist organisation with a charter to wipe out Israel and kill Jews (with most of the other votes going to another terrorist organisation), who had a history carrying out terrorist attacks including suicide bombings, mass shootings stabbings and using women and children for their activities, openly training and indoctrinating generations of kids to hate and kill Jews and blame Jews for all their problems right under the nose of the UN, WAS NOT A SECURITY RISK for Israel and they had no need to implement measures to protect their citizens.

Oct 7th would have been a regular occurrence if they hadn’t as the Palestinians have now proved.

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https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/

And yet they ignored warnings from their own border troops and Egypt.

Our warnings on Hamas were ignored, Israel’s women border troops say

Testimony from members of mainly female look-out units adds fuel to accusations that Netanyahu badly misread the dangers from Gaza.

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/

HellsBalls · 19/07/2025 13:21

Lest we forget the type of people Israel is defending itself against.

AMIA bombing - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing

Anonimummy · 19/07/2025 12:07

MissyB1 · 19/07/2025 09:46

Completely pull out?? How come they still insisted on having so much control then?

This the kind of disingenuous crap from pro-Palestinians that completely shows them up for what they are IMO.

They try to argue that the Palestinians knowingly electing a terrorist organisation with a charter to wipe out Israel and kill Jews (with most of the other votes going to another terrorist organisation), who had a history carrying out terrorist attacks including suicide bombings, mass shootings stabbings and using women and children for their activities, openly training and indoctrinating generations of kids to hate and kill Jews and blame Jews for all their problems right under the nose of the UN, WAS NOT A SECURITY RISK for Israel and they had no need to implement measures to protect their citizens.

Oct 7th would have been a regular occurrence if they hadn’t as the Palestinians have now proved.

Stripes56 · 19/07/2025 12:00

Everexpanding · 19/07/2025 10:10

Read the article, the point is that it is from 2019, before October 7th, and Israel already being judged to have wantonly targeted Palestinian civilians and civilian infrastructure,
it is well worth a read

Albanese has been drawing attention to concerns about Israeli actions towards the Palestinians in the occupied territories for quite some time.

I don’t think any one of would have imagined the extent of devastation that has been wrought on Gaza.

@Twiglets1 noted
”Yes it's a war and Netanyahu is now trying to gain as much as he can out of the situation.”

I think this is exactly what has happened, and it’s not stopping either as Israel are trying to convince US to allow them to “encourage” Palestinians to leave Gaza. Fortunately Witkoff and US not keen to continue the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Albanese certainly has her work cut out for her. The world and Palestinians need her to continue shining the spotlight on violations against Palestinians.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mossad-chief-reportedly-asked-witkoff-for-us-help-to-move-palestinians-out-of-gaza/

quantumbutterfly · 19/07/2025 11:56

MissyB1 · 19/07/2025 09:46

Completely pull out?? How come they still insisted on having so much control then?

Might have been something to do with the constant rocket fire and terroristic shenanigans from hamasniks, at a guess. 7/10 showed the world what they would do when they had the chance.

Mind you we've seen what extremists are capable of throughout the middle east in recent years. Syria's going through some challenging times on it's path to (hopefully) stabilisation, though it's various minorities could do with some UN representation - what are the chances?

Anonimummy · 19/07/2025 11:55

Everexpanding · 19/07/2025 09:55

The writer of that article neglected to mention a very important fact, that Goldstone retracted the allegation in his report that Israel deliberately targets civilians. Rather removed all credibility of the point he was trying to make.

smallglassbottle · 19/07/2025 10:16

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 09:59

What? Your posts are making no sense.

If you say so.

Everexpanding · 19/07/2025 10:11

peace for Israel perhaps not for Palestinians

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