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At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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mids2019 · 13/07/2025 05:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

A number of police officers on a road with some members of the public taking photos and filming. The police appear to be carrying a person although only their foot can be seen in the image.

More than 70 arrests at Palestine Action ban protests

The protests - and the arrests - come after the pro-Palestinian group was proscribed as a terror organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

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TellMeAgainPlease · 14/07/2025 17:22

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Inspirationandhelpneeded · 14/07/2025 16:35

quantumbutterfly · 14/07/2025 16:20

I wondered when self flagellation became a competitive sport. Would there be a podium? Or would that be too self congratulatory? Oh the cognitive dissonance.

The need for a laughing emoji is great.

I wish they'd all go off to a self flagellation corner. Gold medal winners.

EasternStandard · 14/07/2025 16:23

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 14/07/2025 15:55

Come on, some people believe that only white people do harm. Some people hate the West and it's freedoms so much they'd love to tear it down.

It's a race to the bottom, we all should live without democracy and freedom, women and gay people should not be equal. We should be ashamed of everything that was ever done in the past, after all because some people did it we should all be ashamed, always and forever. We must hate ourselves and the west. I wish they would just self flagellate and leave the rest of us alone. Cheer on the 'resistance' so they can wipe out a country because it's supported by the West. Fortunately, we are not all so dim. Hamas, Hezbollah and others must love these self haters.

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Agree and same.

quantumbutterfly · 14/07/2025 16:20

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 14/07/2025 15:55

Come on, some people believe that only white people do harm. Some people hate the West and it's freedoms so much they'd love to tear it down.

It's a race to the bottom, we all should live without democracy and freedom, women and gay people should not be equal. We should be ashamed of everything that was ever done in the past, after all because some people did it we should all be ashamed, always and forever. We must hate ourselves and the west. I wish they would just self flagellate and leave the rest of us alone. Cheer on the 'resistance' so they can wipe out a country because it's supported by the West. Fortunately, we are not all so dim. Hamas, Hezbollah and others must love these self haters.

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I wondered when self flagellation became a competitive sport. Would there be a podium? Or would that be too self congratulatory? Oh the cognitive dissonance.

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 15:57

Heres the definition from wiki

At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches
Inspirationandhelpneeded · 14/07/2025 15:55

Voxon · 14/07/2025 15:38

This is going to be tough to believe, but people who aren't white have done and are doing very evil things. A lot of white people work very hard to help a lot of the most persecuted, opressed and terrorised people and it's a great shame you see good and evil through a lens of race.

Come on, some people believe that only white people do harm. Some people hate the West and it's freedoms so much they'd love to tear it down.

It's a race to the bottom, we all should live without democracy and freedom, women and gay people should not be equal. We should be ashamed of everything that was ever done in the past, after all because some people did it we should all be ashamed, always and forever. We must hate ourselves and the west. I wish they would just self flagellate and leave the rest of us alone. Cheer on the 'resistance' so they can wipe out a country because it's supported by the West. Fortunately, we are not all so dim. Hamas, Hezbollah and others must love these self haters.

Inspirationandhelpneeded · 14/07/2025 15:50

anothercortisolqueen · 14/07/2025 15:21

Absolutely This - it’s a joke that PA have been classified as a terrorist group. We should hang our heads in shame for all the atrocities that white imperialist males have committed. I’m ashamed to be white these days, utterly ashamed!!

Palestine action group are the group that broke into a UK military base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

"The proscription of those three organisations will reaffirm the UK’s zero-tolerance approach to terrorism, regardless of its form or underlying ideology.

It may be helpful to set out some background to the proscription power. To proscribe an organisation, the Home Secretary must reasonably believe that it is concerned in terrorism. That means that the organisation commits or participates in terrorism, it prepares for terrorism, it promotes or encourages terrorism, or it is otherwise concerned in terrorism. Some 80 terrorist organisations are currently proscribed under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Proscription is, rightly, ideologically neutral: it judges an organisation on its actions and the actions it is willing to deploy in pursuit of its cause. The UK’s definition of terrorism was established in law a quarter of a century ago, and it has stood the test of time and extensive scrutiny since."

Note - there were 3 organisations proscribed - nobody appears to care about the others though.

"Focus on National Security:
The government's decision to proscribe the group appears to be largely driven by concerns about the serious damage to property, particularly that related to national security, rather than solely focusing on violence against individuals."

Property involved in defence of the nation is actually fairly important. I can see why a country might want to stop that. Not sure why others struggle to see it is important for a country to have it's defence ready and able to go if needed.

quantumbutterfly · 14/07/2025 15:40

anothercortisolqueen · 14/07/2025 15:21

Absolutely This - it’s a joke that PA have been classified as a terrorist group. We should hang our heads in shame for all the atrocities that white imperialist males have committed. I’m ashamed to be white these days, utterly ashamed!!

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Voxon · 14/07/2025 15:38

anothercortisolqueen · 14/07/2025 15:21

Absolutely This - it’s a joke that PA have been classified as a terrorist group. We should hang our heads in shame for all the atrocities that white imperialist males have committed. I’m ashamed to be white these days, utterly ashamed!!

This is going to be tough to believe, but people who aren't white have done and are doing very evil things. A lot of white people work very hard to help a lot of the most persecuted, opressed and terrorised people and it's a great shame you see good and evil through a lens of race.

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 15:35

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 12:46

The only long term solution is peaceful negotiation with both parties engaging and sticking to agreements made.

How interesting that the only posters who have agreed with this post are the anti war and pro Palestinian posters.

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 15:32

anothercortisolqueen · 14/07/2025 15:21

Absolutely This - it’s a joke that PA have been classified as a terrorist group. We should hang our heads in shame for all the atrocities that white imperialist males have committed. I’m ashamed to be white these days, utterly ashamed!!

The PM is trying to shut out the voice of the people in peaceful demonstration against a genocide . We live in a democracy …. Or at least I thought we did. Shame on Starmer

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 15:30

Memely · 14/07/2025 15:09

True, but as one side has been adamant for the past 80 years that they won't make peace, there's not much hope for the future.

Furthermore, there should never have been any need for peaceful negotiation to begin with. There was no justification for the Arabs in 1948 opposing a Jewish state (although there could have been negotiations on the exact borders). The war they started then, and have kept up all the years, is entirely on them, as are all consequences ever since.

Hamas currently agree to a two state solution and were moving forward with the last ceasefire agreement. The only way to peace in through negotiation. SharonEllis noted on a thread ( not sure which one) this isn’t about the past….so. Ok. Let’s move forward to a better future and talk.

anothercortisolqueen · 14/07/2025 15:21

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 13/07/2025 06:53

Absolutely nobody with any critical thinking capacity believes PA comes anywhere close to being what is typically considered a "terrorist" organisation.

This is purely and simply an exercise in the UK government abusing the law to silence and repress people drawing attention to it's complicity in a genocide. State censorship, repression, and abuse of power. Straight out of the despot handbook.

If "British values" mean taking a stand against terrorism, then we ought to have cut relations with Israel years ago and should be seeking to put members of Likud and the IDF up for trial in the Hague, instead of arresting 80'odd year old vicars and grandads for holding placards. Understandably the police look utterly mortified at having to participate in this complete nonsense.

If that is what constitutes "British values" then I'm glad I don't identify as British.

Absolutely This - it’s a joke that PA have been classified as a terrorist group. We should hang our heads in shame for all the atrocities that white imperialist males have committed. I’m ashamed to be white these days, utterly ashamed!!

Memely · 14/07/2025 15:09

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 12:46

The only long term solution is peaceful negotiation with both parties engaging and sticking to agreements made.

True, but as one side has been adamant for the past 80 years that they won't make peace, there's not much hope for the future.

Furthermore, there should never have been any need for peaceful negotiation to begin with. There was no justification for the Arabs in 1948 opposing a Jewish state (although there could have been negotiations on the exact borders). The war they started then, and have kept up all the years, is entirely on them, as are all consequences ever since.

Stirabout · 14/07/2025 12:46

Memely · 14/07/2025 12:31

Israel will never be crushed. The war can end today if the Gazan government surrenders and releases the hostages.

The only long term solution is peaceful negotiation with both parties engaging and sticking to agreements made.

Memely · 14/07/2025 12:31

Dangermoo · 14/07/2025 08:17

The war won't end until Israel is crushed. To talk of peace, is futile.

Israel will never be crushed. The war can end today if the Gazan government surrenders and releases the hostages.

Beachtastic · 14/07/2025 09:13

Having slept on this, I can see that some PPs here really do mean well with the marches and consider them a completely harmless way of declaring the obvious need for such a horrible war to “just stop.”

As leader of the suffragette movement, Emmeline Pankhurst achieved a lot as a political activist and had strong ideas about what was right and wrong. During World War I, she organised women to distribute white feathers as a form of public shaming aimed at encouraging men to enlist in the military. They handed these feathers (a symbol of cowardice, from cockfighting lore where a bird with a white feather was considered weak) to men in civilian clothes to imply they were shirking their duty by not joining the armed forces. This was her form of public virtue signalling and she believed it was her patriotic duty. Many men were deeply humiliated, because they were on leave from active service, medically unfit, too young/old to enlist, working in essential war industries, or even conscientious objectors to a war that in retrospect is understood as a senseless conflict driven by outdated imperial ambitions and rigid alliances, resulting in over 16 million dead.

So please be careful when you choose to virtue signal in a highly charged political situation that you cannot fully grasp.

In particular, please try to bear in mind:

  • Middle Eastern politics will never make sense to Westerners, as they reflect an entirely alien ideology (e.g. attitudes to death).
  • Hamas is not going to just settle down quietly after signing a piece of paper, and this is not Israel’s fault for inflaming a whole new generation. They were going to be “inflamed” anyway because that’s the culture Hamas has imposed.
  • This is also a propaganda war being played out on social media, and Hamas uses this to their full advantage in a way that Israel so far has refrained from doing. It is very hard to get the image of a dying baby out of your mind. Much easier to draw a veil over events like 7 Oct that are discreetly shrouded.
  • Calling Israel’s actions a “genocide” is simply incorrect. I have felt like an absolute fucking psychopath spelling out why, but please look it up and understand the true meaning of the term. It does not mean “too many dead babies.” This is not a numbers game, it is about specific intent.
  • You using that term is particularly insulting to the Israelis and the entire Jewish race, who actually ARE facing an immediate genocidal threat (again!).
  • When you say things like “I have nothing against Jews, but oppose this genocide” you are revealing a deep ignorance about what is at stake for Israel that suggests, at the very least, indifference to the fact that a lot of very rich ME countries want to wipe them off the map (and not just in Israel).

I think this conflict has driven us all mad with grief and anxiety. We often say to each other on here, “I bet you don’t comment as much on Sudan” etc, and I must admit I have never taken much interest in world politics and can’t pretend to unravel the insanely complex picture of this one. It feels as though the world has taken a nightmarishly dark turn, and it is awful feeling so helpless in the face of it. I completely understand the need to “do something” and how marching in the streets might help to alleviate that feeling of frustration and despair. But for all the reasons outlined above, however peaceful your marches, please consider that in reality you could be helping to achieve something you will one day deeply regret.

Also, please try to have a nice day. There is absolutely fuck all we can do about this ghastly state of affairs, but we can try to refrain from helping to polarise UK society. When there is so much suffering in the world, I think all we can do is count our blessings that we are lucky enough not to be in peril. Kiss our children, enjoy the sunshine, give thanks for this wonderful life that so many would give anything to swap places for.

Dangermoo · 14/07/2025 08:17

Shenmen · 13/07/2025 14:00

That is true. But the marches I have been past are all about wanting the war to end and nothing about wanting further death.

The war won't end until Israel is crushed. To talk of peace, is futile.

SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 08:14

Memely · 14/07/2025 05:03

Is there really a difference between sitting on your arse and doing performative outrage? What exactly are you accomplishing by marching?

Yes there is a difference. There is a long history of demonstrations and protest in democracies. There are hundreds of thousands marching across Europe. It’s only on these threads a few very strong and persistent voices would like you to believe that these are all anti semites chanting death to Israel (some U.K. media pushes the same narrative).

Amorphic · 14/07/2025 07:47

Protesting is a vital tool in democracy. When the government are not listening to its citizens these are the tools the citizens have to show their opposition. The purpose of the protesting is to physically represent opposition to government policy, when letters, petitions and MPs are not working. This was done for the Government’s support of many things, including other wars and Brexit.

SharonEllis · 14/07/2025 07:06

Comedycook · 14/07/2025 06:45

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for

Well it hasn't achieved it, has it?

What it has achieved is more division, more hatred and Jewish people feeling scared to visit certain areas at certain times as well as being fearful of being openly Jewish.

Bravo...what an achievement.

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I think employing an antisemitic trope to criticise me is also a bit revealing, while completely brushing off any suggestion that it matters that the marches are full of people siding with the terrorists.

Comedycook · 14/07/2025 06:45

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for

Well it hasn't achieved it, has it?

What it has achieved is more division, more hatred and Jewish people feeling scared to visit certain areas at certain times as well as being fearful of being openly Jewish.

Bravo...what an achievement.

Memely · 14/07/2025 05:03

SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 00:01

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for.
i am going to stop posting now as agree this is going nowhere, but I am so proud of myself for not being the type of person to just sit on my ass when tens of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered. I take my kids to the marches too. I want to bring them up as people who care
about others, even if they are in a land far away.

Is there really a difference between sitting on your arse and doing performative outrage? What exactly are you accomplishing by marching?

SisforSusanna · 14/07/2025 00:01

mids2019 · 13/07/2025 23:52

Of the government don't act then the protests harden and people start to feel anti semitis m and public menace are acceptable. No one is above the law.

just because you are entrenched in the pro Palestinian movement the halo of seeming virtue does not allow you to overstep the boundaries of legitimate protest. Governments pass laws and act in the people's interest; in this case to ensure peace is kept.

I think peace is exactly what people is marching for.
i am going to stop posting now as agree this is going nowhere, but I am so proud of myself for not being the type of person to just sit on my ass when tens of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered. I take my kids to the marches too. I want to bring them up as people who care
about others, even if they are in a land far away.

mids2019 · 13/07/2025 23:52

Of the government don't act then the protests harden and people start to feel anti semitis m and public menace are acceptable. No one is above the law.

just because you are entrenched in the pro Palestinian movement the halo of seeming virtue does not allow you to overstep the boundaries of legitimate protest. Governments pass laws and act in the people's interest; in this case to ensure peace is kept.

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