At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

Though in a post above you do then say @Alexandra2001 i think Israel very much is prepared to see the deaths of Gazans, in their pursuit of Hamas.

When you equally should have said "the IDF" or "the Israeli government" not "Israel" so I think you should apologize too.

The 58k aren't all civilians are they? No one knows the exact breakdown but it's important to state that many of that number were Hamas operatives so were very much who the IDF did set out to kill. The others were not.

I don't generally accuse people I disagree with on these threads of hating Israel.
Only those that make up stuff that isn't true to make them sound like monsters like They now want to build a camp to put all the Gazans in... i suppose that would make it easier for them to bomb the Palestinians.

Agree though that I should have said Your comment is hyperbole and reveals your bias that the IDF (rather than Israel) are pure evil.

I apologize for that.

"the Home Secretary must reasonably believe that it is concerned in terrorism. That means that the organisation commits or participates in terrorism, it prepares for terrorism, it promotes or encourages terrorism, or it is otherwise concerned in terrorism."

So the home secretary reasonably believes it do they. Pull the other one it has bells on it.

Thats where we disagree, i think Israel very much is prepared to see the deaths of Gazans, in their pursuit of Hamas.

Did they set out, at the outset, to kill 58k people and destroy every aspect of civilian life?
I don't know but it appears that Israel is prepared to see a rising toll of deaths and will use any method, inc cutting food supplies and medical support in pursuit of their aims.

In any case, the numbers who have signed up for Hamas is higher now then pre 7/10, so its a failed plan.

Btw calling posters who you disagree with of hating Israel is wrong, it is like you being told you hate Palestinians.

It is possible to hate the actions of Hamas and the Israeli government, who as you say, do not represent all Israelis.

Violent crimes? I didn't get past such an understated description of a massacre.

I agree that the violence and sexual crimes committed on Oct 7th do not justify the collective punishment of Gazans.

But they do justify Israel going to war with Hamas and that is what Gaza is now, a war zone with much of it reduced to rubble and many civilian casualties.

Israel did not set out to punish civilians, it set out to destroy Hamas and thousands of civilians have died as a result of that. Israel couldn't destroy Hamas operatives without civilians deaths because of how Hamas fight in amongst their people and hide out under civilian buildings, even hospitals.

So 10s of 1000s of people haven't been killed in Gaza, medics not targeted, the plan to put the population into a camp... all Hamas propaganda.

Why should we take the word of the IDF without any question? remember the outright lies they told when they gunned down a medical team?

The UN you now quote, say the Hamas estimates on the numbers killed, are accurate.

The violence and sexual crimes committed on Oct 7th, do not justify the collective punishment of the Gazans.... it really shouldn't a point of contention.

The idea of the "humanitarian city" proposed by Israel Katz is highly controversial and may never be implemented.

Some commentators have suggested the real aim of floating the plan was to increase pressure on Hamas during ongoing ceasefire talks, while also appeasing right-wingers in the cabinet who oppose any truce.

The military had been asked to put together a detailed proposition, but Netanyahu dismissed it as far too costly and complicated, two Israeli officials who were present said, and ordered them to come up with something cheaper and faster.

An Israeli military source said it was a complex initiative that required intricate logistics for infrastructure such as sewage, sanitation, medical services, water and food supplies.

While I don't agree with the idea of a "humanitarian city" (and many within Israel don't agree with the idea either) no one apart from you has suggested it is proposed to "make it easier for them to bomb the Palestinians". The idea being proposed is that the new city or camp is built during the 60 day ceasefire and is done to separate citizens from Hamas via screening as they enter.

Your comment is hyperbole and reveals your bias that Israel are pure evil.

OK, let's call them progressives, who have swallowed Hamas propaganda. Progressives, who are doing exactly what was predicted.

Exactly ... people taking the word of Hamas who has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture.

Now we have the Dinah report. The report confirms that Hamas systematically used rape and sexual violence as tools of war during the October 7 massacres and is the first to present a legal roadmap for identifying and pursuing justice for the use of sexual violence as a weapon of warfare, which constitutes a crime against humanity.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5369592-sexual-violence-as-a-weapon-of-war-during-october-7-massacre

I think the actions of the IDF would count as terrorism.

They now want to build a camp to put all the Gazans in... i suppose that would make it easier for them to bomb the Palestinians.

People are allowed, atm, to have different opinions to you but as usual the far right name call..... lefty liberals!

You take the word of terrorists, who carried out such a pinpointed slaughter of a race of people they want rid of? You can see into the minds of lefty liberals and it ain't too clever. The most ironic part is that you insist this is exactly what Israel is doing.

It became fashionable to hate Israel not long after 7/10. There are two factions: those that know why they are hating and its end purpose, and those who haven't a clue. The latter can say as much as they want, that they aren't chanting for death; guilty by association. The perfect illustration was Glastonbury and the BBC stupidly didn't anticipate this. The consecutive spineless governments do nothing to call for emergency amendment to assembly legislation. It's time these hate marches were stopped because the tail is wagging the dog.

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Oh dear.

Also the drums, how any of them can stand listening to that annoying sound is beyond me!

Buying (do they buy them or are they given free) the flag of a territory that they’ve never been to and never will, and have no connection to aside from a shared hatred of Israel, to march with it proudly down the streets when they’d never ever consider flying their own country’s flag because they hate it as well.

People seem ready to throw what they have away, or even more than that. That’s the concerning part. Especially for women and girls.

The almost total obsession with Gaza above everything else that happens to anyone in the world. The willingness to assume that all victims of the conflict are women and children. There were approximately 35,000 Hamas operatives - all survived have they. The belief that everything Hamas say must be true. The repeating of the little ditties and chants like a cult chant. Houthis, Houthis make us proud being one particular one that was latched onto.

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Maybe they will wake up one day. Everything is not the fault of the West or The British. Do none of these countries or the people in them ever deserve any condemnation - nope to the idiots it's the fault of the West/UK/US.

What they are also saying is that people in these countries are to be saved by good people in the West, they virtue signal, they flag wave and they self flagellate. They rarely appear to bother to think in anything but black and white, right and wrong, very childlike and no nuance to anything or any situation. History shaped to fit their particular people as always the victims who cannot help the way they behave since the West made them do it.

It's bonkers, like a runaway train travelling straight through humility and terminating at self loathing. (Which we've decided here is somewhere on the Sussex coast near Worthing)

It’s also quite concerning.

Suicidal empathy is also a thing amongst these people as well.

Not in my name though thanks.

TBH I think psychiatrists will come up with some interesting studies from the pro-Palestinian cause in the West in the future.

I know the self flagellation stuff is funny in a way.

But it’s also quite sad. Imagine being ashamed by the colour of your skin. Ashamed to be white is just as bad as if someone said they are ashamed of any other colour skin.

I can’t imagine that level of self hatred & I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

Thank goodness there are posters on here who can see this nonsense for what it is. Self flagellation awards indeed!

If Iran has been funding the pro Hamas protests in the US, is it a stretch to wonder who are funding Palestine Action in the UK?