At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

As I said, they are values which are held by a sizable proportion of the planet's population irrespective of their national identity, so even labelling them "British" is nonsense and yet another example of exceptionalism

It’s because people like you misused the laughing emoji which was supposed to be used for humour

I would like it back for the purpose of humour, in this particular instance, laughing at the assertion these values are "unique to the UK" when they are also part and parcel of life in countless other free, open, and democratic States. This claim deserves nothing but being pointed and laughed at.

You are the one who keeps asserting this is a "jewish conspiracy", not me.

It's also palpably ridiculous to suggest that PA were eventually proscribed because pro-Israel lobbyists took exception to them breaking into RAF Brize Norton, which is why I have implied no such chain of events, and why it's so bizarre this is apparently what you appear to believe.

PA were proscribed purely and simply because what they were doing was effective in both highlighting UK complicity in events in Gaza, and making life extremely uncomfortable for the current UK government. Proscription is/was an effective tool to silence them in a way that existing laws could not, but even that is backfiring somewhat because it's clearly not putting off PA supporters, it is not silencing the outcry at the UK's complicity, and it has also served to expose Starmer's mob for the impotent, reactionary, authoritarian fools that they are.

Absolutely, and I've no idea why people conflate the two.

Supporting and campaigning for a free Palestinian state is very different from supporting a banned group.

Hahaha. So the Jewish conspiracy were fine with two years of swastikas, hate mobs, synogues being targeted, antisemitism through the roof but they drew the line at breaking into Brize Norton and damaging our military planes?

Nope. Our government were fine with all those things are drew that line because its a big problem for Britain if defence is being interfered with.

I always find it so funny when people use all this sophistry to excuse their antisemitism. Anything other than confront it. Doesn’t fool me.

They are the official British values whether you agree with them or not.

It’s because people like you misused the laughing emoji which was supposed to be used for humour not trolling that MN unfortunately had to remove it.

Ilan Pappe recently wrote a book about lobbying:
"Pappe unveils how over a century of aggressive lobbying changed the map of the Middle East. Pro-Israel lobbies convinced British and American policymakers to condone Israel’s flagrant breaches of international law, grant Israel unprecedented military aid and deny Palestinians rights. Anyone who questioned unconditional support for Israel, even in the mildest terms, became the target of relentless smear campaigns. Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic shows us how an unassailable consensus was built – and how it might be dismantled."

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lobbying-Zionism-Both-Sides-Atlantic/dp/0861544021

does not seem to indulge in anything remotely recognisable as terrorism

They behave like bullying thugs, that's good enough for me.

You said the focus should be on stopping war crimes.....whose focus should be on that?

Also when someone pops up with people being 'in the pay' of Israel you know they are just repeating antisemitic talking points, at best unthinkingly. Its hardly a considered analysis is it?

This.

I never said they should stop arresting people. Don't be silly.

Yeah it is antisemitic because what you're saying makes no sense. Antisemites are all twisted in their head so they can't think logically. They have to twist everything into a Jewish conspiracy. Common sense says if you break into Brize Norton and cause criminal damage then the home office will come down hard on you.

It's not antisemitism to highlight the fact that a fair number of Labour MP's are in the pay of pro-Israel lobbyists and groups.

If you want to infer this is "jews controlling the government" that's up to you.

The evidence is there in Hansard if you care to look.

Sometimes you don't even have to scratch the surface!

Scratch the surface and the usual antisemitic tropes are there.

Sorry but you all sound the same. You start immediately off with antisemitism about Jews controlling the government.

They were proscribed because they attacked military stuff and caused millions of pounds of damage, get a bloody grip.

They were proscribed so they obviously met the legal definition of it

PA were proscribed simply because they are embarrassing the UK government, Starmer has an enormous majority in the commons and therefore the means to blunt-force a proscription through, and there are a huge number of prominent Labour MP's in the pay of pro-Israel lobbyists who are happy to ignore reality if it keeps the money rolling in.

They were proscribed so they obviously met the legal definition of it. They aren't ISIS or anything but let's be honest that what they're doing is supporting groups like that and taking us for idiots by denying it.

I'm sick of them disrupting the streets. I hate the undertone of antisemitism that's really obvious. I don't think causing millions of ddamage that we all have to pay for. The police costs too every weekend.

Like someone said, attacking Jewish businesses or causing problems for gal gadot isn't right.i don't buy their stories at all and I am really disappointed they weren't clamped down on earlier as per Southport.

Also someone said hamas can end the war any day and that's true but they won't because they're winning it. Their objective was to stir antisemitism and crazy hate at Israel and people play along nicely. I think if a million people were killed they'd be happy.

I hate the ugly side of society it's exposed, it's gone too far. Not free speech just selfish and stupid

@Beachtastic

PA clearly attacked this business in the belief it provides premises to an Israeli defence contractor. Mistakenly so, as it appears, however, this is not evidence of PA indiscriminately attacking Jewish businesses simply because they are owned by Jews.

I absolutely concede that any instance of businesses owned by Jewish people being damaged and destroyed will obviously constitute a concern, and in any case of criminal damage, if there is grounds for prosecution then that absolutely should be seen through, however, your post which I quoted appears to imply that PA plan antisemitic hate-crimes for no other reason than they wish to persecute Jews, and it's this inference that I take exception to.

And for the record, no, I do not believe hate-crimes have any place in any decent society, but I will also not hesitate to challenge people who assert what motivates others can only be hate when we're talking about a group with a clearly stated goals, the bulk of their actions fit within that remit, and do not constitute acts of hate.

I think people think Palestine Action were proscribed after one act at Brize Norton whereas they have been active in this space for some time.

Criminal damage is one thing but when all the acts of criminal damage are racially motivated, it’s another thing entirely.

I wonder if those protesters on the streets are aware of the full backstory. Useful idiots indeed.

Ridiculous comment.

Do you think the police in the UK should stop investigating all potential crimes committed in the UK and instead focus on potential war crimes on another continent?

How far do we take this? Should we stop arresting people at all because....GAZA?!

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

Please provide something of substance that suggests PA plan to attack Jewish businesses simply because they are Jewish.

Well they didn't just plan it, did they? Or was this just accidental?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-hate-crime-jewish-business-b1230275.html

I want everyone to feel safe living in the UK, and antisemitic hate crimes don't really fit into that picture. Judging from the emotional hyperbole of the rest of your post, I gather you think they do.

The Gaza people could stop the war instantly. By handing back the remaining hostages. But they won’t because the leaders there would rather have every single person die than give up on defeating Israel. And they know useful idiots in the West will try to put pressure on Israel to capitulate. Idiots who choose to ignore lots of voices from across the Middle East who point out that their countries don’t permit support of Hamas because Hamas are too dangerous.

Im really glad PA have been banned. Supporting terrorists isn’t okay. Even if you’re an 80yo vicar.